Havent missed anything, Greatkid. Just hoping that tangential issues be noted as such. This is not about hunting for survival. Not seeing any such outrage, so no need to manufacture it. More subterfuge.
No doubt there is a lot of corruption in the “big game hunting” industry. Hopefully this situation will lead to greater likelihood of bringing these poachers to justice. Can we fix all the corruption in other nations? No, but this is a start.
How are the circumstances that are responsible for the majority of African animals that are being killed tangential? I am not manufacturing any thing! There is outrage being manufactured because a rich white dude from the US killed a lion under sketchy circumstances that he may or may not have known about. Yet, countless Elephants and Rhino’s are being poached primarily by natives over there and no one is crying a river for those animals.
People have been crying a river for those animals. Just because there’s a high water level now doesn’t mean the river wasn’t there to begin with.
It’s a natural progression of a thread to move from a specific topic to the a general topic with the specific topic still in mind. (Cecil the lion was killed --> Poaching and cultural norms within country). What are we on? Page 23. I’ve wondered what people’s reactions would be if it were just a normal lion and not a protected one. I’ve wondered what people’s stances on hunting or poaching is in order to better understand their stance on Cecil. I’ve wondered what people’s stance on big trophy hunting and the auctioning off of permits. It’s a natural happening within discussions and I do not believe it’s absurd. The focus isn’t lost. To only focus on Cecil and turn down posts that delve from that would be a loss of beneficial information and knowledge.
This rich white guy is a felon and shouldn’t have had access to a firearm anyway. Well at least not here in the US. Too bad it didn’t seem to extend to places where he can kill innocent, protected mascots.
And people SHOULD be crying out for greater control over poaching. Hopefully this is a start.
A few years ago the Gibson guitar company got, appropriately, fined for violating the Lacey act, illegaly importing protected hardwoods http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/a-closer-look-at-gibson-guitars-legal-troubles/?_r=0
We should be similarly interested in protecting endangered wildlife. If this incident can make a dent in cleaning up corruption in these industries, that is a good thing.
People ARE “crying a river” about poaching of elephants and rhinos. It just doesnt get the front page news perhaps it should https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS464US464&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=poaching%20of%20rhinoaspoaching%20of%20rhinos%20and%20elephants
Perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to donate to the World Wildlife Fund. They do great work in this area and could use your support http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/rhinoceros/african_rhinos/poaching_crisis_african_rhinos/
Niquii,
Yes its often interesting and helpful to discuss some associated thoughts or issues. Its interesting to understand where people are coming from. But that’s a far cry from when some seem to twist what others have said or throw in implausible examples and then present them as if they were fact which seems for the purpose of subterfuge. Its not helpful. At all.
Ugh, as if it was only a horrible thing to do because that particular lion was a “local favourite.”
What is wrong with people? Did he really need to shoot such a beautiful animal for sport, a species threatened with possible extinction in a few decades?
On our flight to Johannesburg was a big group of hunters from the Dallas Safari Club loaded down with huge gun cases. I glared at them the entire time we were in the luggage area. Somehow I doubt they cared but I felt a wee bit better. (I’d have liked to have opened those gun cases and shot them.)
I am not a fan of trophy hunting, wish it were illegal to cut off animals’ heads and display them. It is so barbaric. Why is this type of hunting even allowed?
This is not a sport. This is not hunting to eat or survive. This is murder.
There is something fundamentally twisted in the personality of someone who kills animals for sport, IMO.
I detest all forms of killing endangered wildlife.
Killing for a trophy?
if he were in my community I would be organizing action so that everyone in his practice saw photos of the tame animal he slaughtered.
I can hope so, at the very least, might keep him from being macho man bob and killing more poor animals.
This piece of scum is no newbie to the “sport” of killing beautiful animals for his own sadistic pleasure:
Hurting protected animals for sport. Ugh.
But killing endangered animals is horrible. Rhinos killed for the supposed aphrodisiac horn. Or bears for their testicles, or elephants for the tusks, or sharks for the fin for shark fin soup. This should be outlawed world wide.
It was a big mistake for him to kill an animal that had a name. I hope that the worldwide revulsion over this has some benefit for other animals.
I have never understood how anyone can kill another living thing for sport. I don’t like hunting any animal. Most hunters do not hunt because they need to put food on the table. This story is appalling, but, in my opinion, all hunting for sport should be viewed the same.
Taking the lives of others for sport is IMO very distatsteful.
I’m sorry his kids have been outed, but I’d bet anything he’s teaching them to follow in his footsteps and kill beautiful animals for fun.
This kind of thing like this idiot dentist is just pure ego, and it isn’t even very macho, the way they hunt game the animals have very little chance thanks to the way they hunt them.
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That is from the first 7 pages of this thread. But No, this thread is not about a general distaste for killing lions, it is only about killing Cecil.
Bay, why can’t there be a range of people, with a range of responses, who nevertheless almost unanimously agree that it was wrong for this particular individual to kill this particular animal? Dr. Palmer should be made to answer for his crime. And other big game hunters should either find a new hobby, or strictly follow the rules and be prepared to face the criticism of people who don’t approve.
Why are so many of these hunters from Texas?
@MidwestDad3 From my understanding, Bay’s post was showing comment within the first seven pages of this thread that go against the idea that this thread was only about the killing of Cecil. I didn’t take the post as saying no one can unanimously come to the same conclusion. It was just refuting an idea.
Of course that is true Nyquii77, massive unemployment and an enormously corrupt government are likely huge links in the chain as to why the circumstances are the way they are there. I believe the circumstances are very complex and any intervention or application of potential remedies have to be extremely well thought out. There are many who don’t want human intervention in ecosystems, it is to late for that. There are many who think their intentions and good deeds can override the propensity’s and way of life of the local people/natives who live in an area. That is naive at best.
I was responding more to post #331.
Oops, sorry about that then!
I didn’t see any debate in this thread about whether the unlicensed hunting and killing of lions protected in national parks was wrong or not. That is definitely not what this thread is about. It is about whether Palmer did it and how much of a “pondscum” with small testicles that makes him, which he has been labelled whether he did it or not. But equally expressed was the general distaste for trophy hunting in Africa in general, without any expressed desire by most people to understand why it goes on. In fact, whenever anyone brought up the reasons for it, they were shouted down as defending Palmer, or making irrelevant comments, or that it makes no difference what the reasons are because all African big game hunting is wrong.
Okay, I haven’t read the entire thread. I certainly agree that testicle size should not enter into the discussion. I agree as well that one can support the activity of big game hunting within the rules, while at the same time condemning the actions of Dr. Palmer. Personally, I find big game hunting repugnant, whatever the rules or whyever it goes on, even if it helps the local economies.
Yes, that message comes through loud and clear on this thread.
The outpouring of empathy for Cecil on this thread is matched only by the lack of empathy for the people of Zimbabwe and why they must resort to killing and allowing others to kill their native animals.
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It is interesting that many seem to assume that every single tidbit as presented by the press on this story, is true. Why wait for anything else, when we can be judge, jury, and executioner?
I disagree with you, busdriver, mainly due to key words such as “everyone” and “100%”.
You’re right, Niquii, that was way too much of a generalization. I should have said “many”.
I edited it to make it more accurate. Thanks for noting that.
