<p>Glad you know so much about Ted’s sex practices. Care to tell us the details of Rudy’s and Newt’s as well? (If you don’t know, you might consider asking Jeffrey.)</p>
<p>Lets hear it for ‘cheap and tawdry sexual thrills’ - the best kind!</p>
<p>I hadn’t really considered that men had divine urges to hook-up with prostitutes for tawdry thrills while scoring their divine ration of crystal meth; but then, unlike you, I’m not a man. </p>
<p>Sounds awful depressing:
Are you saying that you consider these racy urges to be god-given divine urges? Is that a Quaker thing? I don’t think so. I use to go and meditate at the Friend’s House in Annapolis Maryland…I’d never guessed based on the wonderful people I met there, but I was 14. I loved the silence (…not so much the abrupt political rants).</p>
<p>oughta start your own church with that swinging theology of yours, mini. Maybe Vegas?!</p>
<p>Could be big…real big.
Invite Newt and Rudy for all I care; myself, I don’t know much about their sexual urges, divine or otherwise. I’ll just have to take your word for it you cheeky guy.</p>
<p>I don’t know why anybody cares about Haggerd’s sex life. Let him do what he wants, who are you to judge? That he made a career out of judging others is why he has let himself in for so much criticism.</p>
<p>from The Week magazine,…a british study revealed that the average man spends a full six months of his life staring at women in a slack-jawed trance of frustrated desire,…</p>
<p>then he orders a coffee. But seriously folks, I myself would rather contemplate a womans bottom than the Constitution,… though I will admit both are invaluable documents.</p>
<p>gla: Try going to the beginning of this thread to see who exactly it was who cared about Haggard’s sex life. ;)</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up HH.
Mini, Get your mind out of the gutter!:]</p>
<p>i was creeeppeedd out by haggerd talking about demons flying over babies in hospitals</p>
<p>
Well, lets see:</p>
<ol>
<li> Adultery,</li>
<li> Lying</li>
<li> Purchasing illegal Drugs</li>
<li> Using illegal drugs</li>
<li> Participating in a homosexual relationship, against the clear teaching of his church and of its God.</li>
</ol>
<p>All of these things are errors of which he is guilty. And it is for these things that he has suffered. </p>
<p>
I think he quite clearly knows what they are. And even he seems unwilling to agree that his urges are God-given. I have plenty of urges that I would not exactly attribute to God, and yet by God I have managed to sufficiently control them (as is evidenced by the British study mentioned here by rorosen wherein men were discovered to contemplate a woman’s bottom for only six months of their lives. LOL).</p>
<p>
I sincerely hope he doesn’t because doing such a thing means he will have to break his oath before God and man. I sincerely hope he strives to sacrifice his desires, to crucify all his hopes and wishes, and die completely to himself, to live for the benefit of others, especially for his dear wife and children.</p>
<p>
I sincerely hope he does no such thing because it would mean a breaking of his oath before God and man. I believe oaths mean something. I hope that he chooses to abandon himself each day to his God, serving his family, and enjoying his one wife. He can do this as a perpetual gift to her. If he would do it, I think he would learn something wonderful about himself that we don’t really talk about these days.</p>
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I don’t think that he is qualified to teach on this sort of stuff. His bible doesn’t mention it. The only thing it says in this regard is that the behavior is wrong. I rather think if he is going to stay in his church, he has an obligation to obey its God and follow its teachings. We may not agree with it, but it is not our life to live. If he wishes to break his oath and live as a gay man, then that is fine, but he ought not be surprised to find his actions being scorned as ungodly by the people with which he is attempting to worship. If he chooses this latter course, I would suggest he leave and join a church that lies outside of Christian tradition on this issue. But, once again, it is his life, and he is free to live it as he wishes.</p>
<p>Drosselmeier: In my personal opinion, your posts on this subject have been awe-inspiring. :)</p>
<p>(Drossel was preaching to the HH choir)</p>
<p>Drossel uses complete logic in all of her posts, whereas other people here are just blinded for their dislike of religion. I really feel that Drossel has completely silenced everyone. Haggard is also a great example of a man who is battling with his homosexual urges, and who knows what he did was wrong. Haggard knows that cheating on his wife, buying and using durgs, and having a homosexual relationship were the wrong thing to do, and he is rtying to fix his problems. Haggard, is just another of the many people with homosexual tendancies or bisexual tendancies to be against gay marriage.</p>
<p>Exhibit B.</p>
<p>And you are exhibit C, youve got nothing to say back. You have exhausted all of your comments on this man. You have no other way of insulting religion. For some reason, and I hope I am wrong, I get the impression that you are glad that this man made the choices he mad, that you are somehow excited that he did what he did.</p>
<p>Then why do you all republicans still get excited about the blue dress?</p>
<p>See, “why do you all republicans still get excited about the blue dress” who cares about this. Why do you democrats always talk about it. Let it go. No one is saying what Clinton did was right, and no one is saying what this guy did was rite either</p>
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Hahaha. No, not exactly. I just have a belief on this issue like everyone else, and am putting it out here. The thing I want to communicate here is that this gay stuff is tough for everyone. Both sides like to make it out to be a very simple matter, as if the other side is just too dumb or fanatical to see the obviousness of it. But plenty of families have valid reasons to be crushed when they have a kid or other family member claiming to be gay. They aren’t homophobes, no matter how much we call them names. And there are some seriously wonderful gays out there who really just wanna be at peace in their country. This is especially hard for me because, as a black guy, I surely know what they are going through, and have defended their views because of it.</p>
<p>I don’t know the solution here. But I know we ain’t gonna find it by our current approach. What a lot of folks are doing is trying to marginalize the religious right by making fun of them and by acting as if their participation in the political process is some evil thing. When I read people just automatically claiming this Haggard guy was a “hypocrite” and that he is evil for believing the bible and supporting his view at the ballot box, I just started thinking “wait a minute. I can see why he did pretty much everything he did, and I might have done the same thing in his case. It’s a lot more complex than the horned, red colored, pitch-fork carrying distortion folks are painting here”. I am trying to show that, you know, we aren’t really so much better than this guy, at least I’m not; and that he has reasons to believe as he does regarding homosexuality. I really can’t get all happy about this. I wish the guy all the best, and I hope his church recovers well.</p>
<p>Simba:</p>
<p>
Just to be clear, I am not a Republican, and I won’t be voting Republican tomorrow. I do not support Bush, didn’t support him in 2000 (didn’t support Gore either), didn’t support him in 2004 (didn’t support Kerry either), I have never heard Rush Limbaugh, and, because I don’t own a TV, I have never watched FOX News. When the Lewinsky stuff came out I was very much against it. I also understood why Clinton lied about it. Lets face it, it was war, and as I think I shared here, under all this soft mushy stuff you folks are reading here there is a real savage with a killer instinct like the worst of them. So, I was hip to why Clinton maneuvered as he did, and even kinda enjoyed it, to my shame. The guy saw his wife and daughter getting slammed. I could not help but identify with the guy. I realized were I in his shoes, I’d probably lie too, and do all kinds of weird mess just to mix it up and kill, kill, kill my tormentors. It is hard to just up and walk into pain purely on principle. I have done it, but I would be lying if I said I did it without even questioning if whether cheating was best. So, I wasn’t one of those rejoicing about the blue dress. I felt pretty much the same as I do now, though, I gotta say, ol’ Clinton, being a lawyer, could take care of himself really well! So, I didn’t feel as sorry for him as I do for Haggard.</p>
<p>I gotta end my participation on this. I think I have made my point. I just want to encourage yall to look at the bigger picture on everything. Even with that doggone scoundrel Bush (LOL), try to see that the guy has feelings and a family. I wouldn’t vote for him even if Osama bin Laden promised to turn himself in as a result. But, seriously, all the bitterness and mess is just crazy.</p>
<p>i could care less he was gay…it was this holier than though, jsut pray, just go to church, and you too will be saved garbage, and look, all you sinners out in the world, blah blah blah</p>
<p>there’s this “man” downtown who calls my D whores because they wear short skirts…yeah, that’s a man of God…calling totally sweet nice girls names using the bible as his justification…my friend and I hold hands when we go past him jsut to get his “anti-gay” rant going</p>
<p>I resent this being couched in pro/anti religious terms. It’s because I take my religious beliefs so seriously that I resent seeing others trash and exploit them. Christianity is so much more embracing than it’s portrayed by its most vocal “supporters” (here and elsewhere). And, additionally, I think that consistently, the truest Christian on these boards is Mini–whom somehow others read as anti-religious. How, I can’t imagine.</p>
<p>So why do you try to provoke him. You are acting no better than him, but what some guy does on a street corner has no connection to Haggard. You have no idea how religious or non religious he really is. He is just that, a guy yelling at a street corner. </p>
<p>Also I dont understand what this even means “it was this holier than though, jsut pray, just go to church, and you too will be saved garbage, and look, all you sinners out in the world, blah blah blah” Thats simply what this gay believed in. And you know what, he was just trying to save himself, by praying, by going to church, and he was not able to overcome what he wanted to and I feel sorry for him, as should you. There is no reason for you to be so happy about this man’s downfall. He did so many great things. The lives he saved, the families that he helped. He did alot of great things, and now he will continue to go to church and continue to pray for himself, for the strength to beat homosexual urges and drug addiction. To me it seems that you have the “holier than though” attitude. You mock the religious, who stand at street corners yelling at people, but you never look at what religion has done, the great things it has accomplished. You never have looked at the real face of religion, which in a way is this Haggard guy. Religion is his way of overcomign his problems, its an absolute guiding force for him. It tells him his limits. He knows what he did was wrong BECAUSE of his religion. A guy at the street corner does not represent religion.</p>