<p>Ciao. Enjoy your sleaze.</p>
<p>“I sincerely doubt the “good reverend” (as cgm so nicely referred to him) does not spend EACH AND EVERY MINUTE of his day, and every minute in every sermon on the pulpit, preaching the evils of homosexuality…”</p>
<p>No, he withholds some of those minutes to the evils of the Democratic plot to force evolution on our children (I’m being serious), on the horrors of Democratic-appointed justices (again, I’m being serious), and on the Democratic efforts to destroy the American family (again, I’m being serious.) The evils of homosexuality and gay marriage is just a large part of the package.</p>
<p>He does leave a few minutes each day for Bible reading, gay sex, and meth use. Oh, and calls to the White House.</p>
<p>Hereshoping, leaving Democrats and Republicans out of this equation…and yes, what someone does in private is their own business…I think the big issue here is that this person was PREACHING a certain position and agenda that was anti-gay, etc. and there is hypocrosy to be speaking as a leader about a certain position but leading a life that is exactly what he is preaching not to do. This is different than a politician who doesn’t speak about adultery or homosexuals and does these things in private. He is the leader of a church and of the Evangelicals which also lobbies in the political arena around positions. If he is going to preach an agenda, it makes sense that he lives it in order to be taken seriously. If a leader doesn’t speak out against adultery or homosexuality and does those things in private, that is his/her business.</p>
<p>A different, but related issue, has to do with honesty. When first exposed, he denied the allegations claiming to be faithful to his wife, etc. Apparently now he has admitted some of the allegations have some truth to them. It seems to me that a religious leader who is being dishonest is a problem for followers in terms of trust. In many religions, honesty would be a “biggy” for the leader of a congregation.</p>
<p>The issue for me isn’t that he committed adultery or engages in homosexual sex or even uses drugs, but that he preaches against such behaviors to his followers.</p>
<p>Speaking just for myself, my views of this hypocrisy would have been the same whether this person was a Dem or a Rep. I don’t care the party affiliation in terms of what is wrong about this situation.</p>
<p>It’s called, “Do as I say, not as I do”.</p>
<p>Problem is, that type of mantra usually comes back to bite a person, as it did in this case.</p>
<p>“Haggard admits to ‘some’ allegations”</p>
<p>How do you define ‘some’?..Could it be 99%?</p>
<p>COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard, who stepped down as head of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals on Thursday after allegations that include having gay sex, has confessed to some of the allegations, a fellow pastor said in an e-mail to church members.</p>
<p>"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true, Ross Parsley, the acting senior pastor at New Life Church stated. Haggard on Thursday also stepped aside as leader of the 14,000-member New Life Church, based in Colorado Springs.</p>
<p>He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation, the e-mail stated. A copy was obtained by KMGH-TV in Denver. </p>
<p>Jones provided to KUSA-TV what he said were voice mails from Haggard. The station had University of Colorado expert Richard Sanders compare them to its earlier interview of Haggard.</p>
<p>It certainly sounds like the same person, Sanders said, adding that he expected to have a final report later Friday.</p>
<p>KUSA-TV reported excerpts late Thursday.</p>
<p>Hi Mike, this is Art, one call began. Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply. </p>
<p>Jones provided to KUSA-TV what he said were voice mails from Haggard. The station had University of Colorado expert Richard Sanders compare them to its earlier interview of Haggard.</p>
<p>It certainly sounds like the same person, Sanders said, adding that he expected to have a final report later Friday.</p>
<p>KUSA-TV reported excerpts late Thursday.</p>
<p>Hi Mike, this is Art, one call began. Hey, I was just calling to see if we could get any more. Either $100 or $200 supply. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/[/url]”>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/</a></p>
<p>Party of Family Values has ‘some’ real misfit but influential members.</p>
<p>HH,</p>
<p>Please come back! I want to continue to see how you defend the indefensible. 
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<p>It’s gotta be really, really hard to figure out how to shift things around in this situation to make it look like a democratic sleeze ad. Keep trying though, you’re getting better at it. Soon you to can write episodes for “desperate housewives”. </p>
<p>The democratic party didn’t out him. His male prositute did after 3 years of the bumpity bump. Why? because this hypocrite was leading the charge for a ban of gay marriage in his state. Out front and center taking up the cross so to speak, and at the same time enjoying hot gay sex (without commitment of course) with his male prositute. So banning gay marriage would make perfect sense because maybe he had a fear of commitment. </p>
<p>So continue to make this a democratic issue. I’m sure they put this whole thing together, maybe even pushed the matress up and down for this “minister” so he wouldn’t have to work so hard. </p>
<p>The shoes continue to drop and the emperor has no clothes.</p>
<p>citygirlsmom: “interesting that some people demand proof for THIS, while people can be thrwon in jail forever with no proof”</p>
<p>Excellent point. For cryin’ out loud. When is the country going to DONE with this crowd of lying, sleezy, self-serving bunch of hypocrites?</p>
<p>“I feel sorry for the man’s wife and children because they don’t even get the chance to deal with this situation in private, but have to watch it played out in front of the whole world because of some Democrat agenda.”</p>
<p>It isn’t being played out in public because of “some Democratic agenda.” The man IS a public figure. He is not only a pubilc figure but he has chosen to lead and preach his agenda on these issues publicly. His behaviors now contradict his PUBLIC agenda. I feel sorry for his wife and kids too. But these were choices this guy made and are not the doings of Democrats. He has only himself to blame.</p>
<p>we should dump the pretense that we don’t enjoy or are at least not fascinated by self-destruction, especially when character is at the center of the wreck. isn’t this the essence of drama in its popular forms? nosing our way into the personal lives of others, gossip is a major human pastime and I think it is a marvel and a victory for us psychiatric types when a man’s running from who he might be leads him into such exaggerated camouflage.</p>
<p>“It isn’t being played out in public because of “some Democratic agenda.””</p>
<p>It IS being being played out in public because of the REPUBLICAN agenda. Without that agenda, the story is about a local sleazeball, not of particularly great interest. </p>
<p>Guess Karl Rove won’t be getting a call from him this week.</p>
<p>can’t he claim to have been conducting ‘research’?</p>
<p>in the sense of ‘knowing’ thine enemy?</p>
<p>sjmom: regarding the “lie detector test” - the article references a couple of the reasons that polygraph tests are generally inadmissible in court. First, the crude physiological measurements which are the basis of the “test” are subject to influence from many factors entirely unrelated to truth or honesty; and second, interpreting the results of the test is subjective. I’ve had two different polygraph examineres review the same test printout and give me very different opinions about what they meant as to the truthfulness of the witness. (Of course, one of the examiners had a reason to be biased - and his opinion - surprise! - coincided with his bias.)</p>
<p>“And as with the Foley discussion on this board, I find the jokes disgusting.”</p>
<p>did you forget the jokes your side made/still make during the blue dress episode?</p>
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Who the heck are you to tell any human being what he or she “should” do?"</p>
<p>Isn’t that what the party of family values trying to force on us?</p>
<p>anyboy here youtube it and see him speak about homosexuality?</p>
<p>its ll in the bible, dagnabit…</p>
<p>he is a very public figure who makes a BIG part of his lifes work to put down gays…when you do that, get $$ for that, lead others to do the same, when it becomes public that the very thing you disdain, you are doing, well, one has to wonder why? why the big public battle against gay rights?</p>
<p>when one uses their power to hurt others, and this guy did, well, if he is a hypocrit, well, he is a hypocrit</p>
<p>and btw, the Republicans have made gay rights poitical, they did it last election and again this time around, if this stuff wasn’t on ballots all over the country, pushed by guys like Haggerd, no one would much care about a church leader cheating on his wife</p>
<p>I’m hoping, really hoping, this is the end of religion in politics.</p>
<p>I don’t think you will get your hopes fulfilled on this one, Lefthand.</p>
<p>For a totally random thought…I betcha John Kerry is a happier guy right about now…hey, look over there!</p>
<p>^^^ … lol … just about the happiest guy in the US</p>
<p>“For a totally random thought…I betcha John Kerry is a happier guy right about now…hey, look over there!”</p>
<p>John Kerry may be an idiot, but he didn’t admit to “receiving a massage” and methamphetamine from a gay prostitute while making half his living promoting the Republican Family Values agenda, and calling in to the White House once a week. Wonder if he met Denny? Anyhow, I do hope he is happier adopting the “gay lifestyle”, by choice of course, he really didn’t have the urge, and, when it comes to meth, given he has five kids, he was just “curious”. As for the meth, he just “bought” it but didn’t “use” it.</p>
<p>Stay the course.</p>
<p>“It IS being being played out in public because of the REPUBLICAN agenda. Without that agenda, the story is about a local sleazeball, not of particularly great interest.”</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>