Anyone with a neurodiverse/ADHD child that put off starting college a year?

Hi all - my driven, athletic pre-Vet daughter got into every undergraduate school she applied to for Animal Science. She is ADHD-inattentive and while bright, struggles with work taking 3x what her peers sometimes need. She stays up too late working, gets little sleep, and has a very hard time getting up. Her anxiety has been increasing through HS and is reaching a crescendo with the college decision. She has been playing school & club volleyball since 3rd grade and decided to take this last semester of high school away from the club team to have a little downtime, but the reduction in schedule structure has had the opposite effect. She is behind in school and struggling. Her plan this semester was to look for a part-time job cleaning the kennels at a vet and learn to do laundry, but she is instead hanging on by a thread. She seems totally burnt out. I think we are legitimately concerned about how her mental health will be this fall given she has picked a difficult major and competitive career path.

So my question is…have any of your kids been in a similar situation and deferred their acceptance for a year to “learn how to be a person away from home” first (a quote from a friend)? If so, how did it go? My husband and I were always concerned that a break would make it tougher for her to catch back up academically, but now I’m wondering if letting her go volunteer at a couple of animal rehab programs somewhere away from home for several months and letting her learn to be an independent person and completely in charge of her own meds and self might be a good option (the animal experience would still be useful for her longer term).

Appreciate any advice. Thanks.

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As I’m sure you know, it’s really hard to get into vet school, and having a great GPA is a must. Pre-vet classes overlap considerably with pre-med requirements. Those courses are challenging anywhere, but depending on the school, there could be a weed-out type of culture in the introductory pre-med/vet courses. That will vary by school and program.

So… that’s something to keep in mind. If she doesn’t get good grades in her first year, I hope she wouldn’t then start panicking that she’s ruined her chances, and then have that produce a snowball effect. It’s not like another career plan where you can recover easily from major freshman academic debacles.

Have you talked with her about a gap year? How do you think she’d feel about it?

Will the schools that accepted her allow her to defer for a year or would she have to reapply? (Just remember she can’t take any college classes in the meantime or she’d be considered a transfer student).

It’s good that you’re observing your daughter and thinking about this. I have one autistic kid and one ADHD kid. They’ve both been continuously employed since age 15 and are good at the “be a person away from home” type of stuff (I love that expression and am going to borrow it!) Laundry, cooking, riding the train without adults, etc. My autistic kid is in college far from home, self-sufficient, and doing great. We wouldn’t even give our ADHD kid that option if he wanted it (he doesn’t), because he’s a different kid with different challenges. As good as he is at many “adulting” tasks, a challenging college experience would be too much for him. Like your kid, my ADHD kid does best when his activities are carefully titrated. Too busy is bad and not busy enough is also bad. But he does need breaks, like anyone.

I share my experience not to say anything about your kid, but to say that each kid is different and you know yours best.

My hunch is that she needs a break from school (again, I don’t know your kid and you do). But you also don’t want her to mental health to suffer from lack of structure. I’d say send her to school if she really wants to go. But what you want to avoid is her taking a hit to her GPA because that could derail her vet school plans and possibly derail her mental health.

Maybe you could together come up with a structured gap year plan that she feels good about? Or if she’s not open to that, she could give college a try with the agreement that she’ll withdraw by the mid-semester withdrawal date if things are going poorly? So sorry she’s going through this, and it’s good she has you to help her navigate. Good luck and keep us posted.

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S23 didn’t take a gap year, but went in with very good skills due to a boarding school. Gap years are very common. Of his friend group of 9, only he and one other kid didn’t take a gap year. She definitely will not be “behind” if she takes one.
He had 3 suitemates freshman year. All took gap years and two also had AHDH. One participated in a formal travel program and the other didn’t do anything formal. The one who just took a gap year to “mature” came in with few executive planning skills (not sure about school work, but struggled with “life skills”). To be honest, even though he took a gap year, his lack of skills set him back more socially than academically. I have to think that would be a big stressor for your daughter.

I’d say taking a gap year and giving her the opportunity to develop executive functioning skills in a low-stakes environment is a great idea. Even working while living at home and meeting with an executive functioning coach would be beneficial.

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This is such a tough place to be - not knowing you or her I can’t give much advice, but I’m happy she has you to look out for her mental health, which is SO much more important than college right now.

I also wonder about about deferring, would that make things better or worse?

There is a specific thread for neurodiverse students here as well:

Wishing your family all the best! :heart:

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She has flown across the country on her own the past two summers for vet camps for a week each and even did one last year that conflicted with her finals week at school which I thought was an awful idea, but it was at a college she thought she wanted to attend and I didn’t want to be the one to limit her from helping with that decision. She (barely) pulled it off in the end with very little sleep. So she may survive, but her anxiety shows up in her perfectionism and she has passionately picked a hard academic path. ColdWombat, you’re correct in that the vet path is hard and GPA matters more than many career paths. And vwlizard, I, hear you on the social side, as I know she is looking forward to hopefully having a more active social life than she has had in high school once she finds her people in college.

I appreciated you all taking the time to reply - thanks.

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I just realized that today was a big announcement day for some schools and realized my initial intro of her getting in everywhere she applied may hit wrong. Luckily she wanted a hands-on animal science program so she was focused on state schools that just ended up being a good match for her. My intent in sharing that was not to brag, but just to say that on paper she looks like she is crushing it and she should be feeling confident and proud of the hard work she has put in over the past few years, but that is not where she is.
Apologies if it came across otherwise.

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I have an ADHD kid and in addition to the thread posted above, I want to highlight one comment (emphasis below is mine): General Advice & College Recommendations for ADHD & Neurodiverse Students - #14 by blossom

The biggest problem I see is when families are in denial about how much support and scaffolding they have been providing to the student. They spend tons of time researching campuses and programs; they spend zero time coming to terms with how much support they have been providing in order for their child to make it through HS and on to college.

Deans do NOT show up in your kids dorm room and shake him until he wakes up so he can get to class on time. That does not happen. So if YOU have been habitually waking your kid up because he sleeps through his alarm, it’s time to stop. The Dietician does NOT walk your D down the cafeteria line making sure that in addition to the carbs she loves and the caffeinated beverages she’d live on if she could, she takes a piece of salmon or grilled tofu because a college kid without protein is going to crash eventually. The Housing office won’ show up to do your kids laundry even if the towels smell of mildew, and the bursar doesn’t take your kid by the hand to the ATM to check the balance on the account because your kid forgot to deposit the paycheck last week.

The kids I know IRL who have crashed in college have NOT been unable to compete academically! They’ve struggled- and in many cases failed- at Life 101. And that- coupled with a demanding workload- has created a perfect storm. Going to bed at a reasonable hour. Waking up on time for an early lab. Eating regular meals. Buying an apple at the campus grocery store even when you want a Snickers bar. Changing the sheets on the bed and replacing them with clean sheets.

If your kid is a junior or senior and is not taking control of “Life 101”, get to it. I’'ve got friends with HS seniors who they are STILL driving to school once or twice a week with the lunch that got left on the counter, the homework assignment sitting in the printer, or the athletic equipment that was sitting in the front hall. How is your kid going to manage all these things independently if you aren’t transitioning now?

This is so, so important. No matter how accommodating any accommodations at student services may be, more of your kiddo’s hours are spent outside of the classroom, where there is a lot of “adulting” that college kids need to be able to do on their own that support services will 100% not be involved with (and for good reason).

Regarding a gap year, you know your daughter best and every kid is different.

For my ADHD kiddo, one thing we talked about a lot about the transition to college was the difference between having your day quite highly structured for you in high school—from starting in the morning and going from class to class all day, then to after school sports and activities—in contrast to college, where your classes may meet 2-3 times a week, and you are expected to independently be doing quite a lot of work on your own, on your own time.

For my kiddo, if he has all day to do something it will take him forever, in fact he might not get it done at all, because he has a case of the “I’ll do it later, I have all day.” Yet if he only has an hour to get it done because his day is busy? He can get it done in an hour.

When he doesn’t have a pretty scheduled day, that’s really tricky for him. So to help with that, he takes additional non-academic classes (e.g. kayaking or rock climbing), and he’s involved in an a cappella group that meets for rehearsals 3x a week and a club sport that’s 4x a week. Those additional activities keep him chugging along on task, keep him physically active, and use different parts of his brain. Additionally, he specifically chose a small LAC because he knew that he would fight to not zone out in large lectures, and he is very engaged when there are smaller class sizes, discussions, and labs.

The last few years of high school were me forcing him to use an online calendar, and to transition to him scheduling all of his own medical and dental appointments and other needs. He also needed to get himself to and from school and activities on the city bus (navigating the schedule, making plans), and quite importantly—to ensure that he knew productive ways to write emails to teachers to touch base or ask for help. For example: name the issue and name what you’ve done and tried so far; then ask for a set period of time to meet (e.g. a few minutes after class, or 15 minutes, etc.); then offer three time frames you have available, and then close by asking what would work best for them.)

A student’s ability to talk easily with teachers and professors, and to understand how and when to reach out, is crucial in college. The more comfortable you can make your student with that process, the farther ahead they’ll be. When in doubt, reach out! But as Blossom mentioned: there isn’t any help in college for the out of the classroom adulting skills like getting yourself up for class each day.

If you feel as if your daughter needs some more time, via a gap year, to grow in adulting skills such as getting up and out the door, and managing more of her life independently, then it may be something to consider. But as you mentioned:

the reduction in schedule structure has had the opposite effect. She is behind in school and struggling

I would be cautious about the possibility of a gap year being a little detrimental if she doesn’t have some sort of daily structure to help her stay on track. A year is a long time; I know one student who wanted to do a gap year, and found a job part time. By the end of fall they were adrift, and all their friends were gone and busy in their first semester in college.

Maybe instead of an entire year, perhaps your daughter might benefit from taking the summer off, if that’s something that financially could work for your family? A few months to just do whatever feels good to her?

Or if you feel that she would benefit from a gap year - have goals for the gap year that are about adulting skills, and make sure that these are shared goals for her too! Set her up for success and celebrate tackling this stuff. Have her take a 1-2 months off in the summer, and then a full time job and she graduates to handling all of her things as if she were living in a dorm: her schedule, transportation, her banking, her appointments, her breakfast and lunches (and some dinners?), her laundry, and “extracurriculars.” And you stay on track teaching her how to do something and giving her tools, and walking her through a scenario, and then stepping back.

Maybe if she feels more grounded in being able to handle all of those things, she’ll have more bandwidth and be more confident and ready to tackle the academic part of college when she arrives.

Best of luck! It is hard to make the transition, I can only say from experience that the more adeptly that your kid can operate independently, the easier the transition to college will be as that’s one significant thing they don’t have to fret about.

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I understand feeling burnt out at this time, with school work, EC’s and college decisions.

What accommodations does she have at high school and do they help?

I would encourage attending this fall and learning adulting skills as needed. As long as there are appropriate supports. It can be helpful if the school is near home, though Zoom can help. You can provide some support at a distance and gradually withdraw over the 4 years.

Landmark has a precollege summer program, I believe. Not sure if it is a fit but just mentioning.

You can research accommodations, write a letter yourself listing them, and have a professional sign. In my experience professionals like MD’s and psychiatrists appreciate this.

See if she can take a reduced course load the first semester. Look into tutoring and coaching resources. (Again, Landmark has coach referrals, though they are pricey.)

Is she seeing a psychiatrist with expertise in meds? College life presents some decisions on timing of meds.

My kid with ADHD went to college, left in fall of sophomore year, did community college and worked, and then went to a LAC for the last years- taking two classes at a time (they have some other challenges besides ADHD). The idea of titrating work hours interested me: my kid also did better academically when they had a job.

Hoping the summer is restorative!

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Would working with an executive function coach help reduce her anxiety?

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One more post on this: My ADHD kid was having difficulty with a paper. They had an excellent advisor, accommodations and other supports. However, I ended up going to the college, 3 hours away, with their sister, and taking the kid to a motel and sitting with them while they worked. They write well but it takes a few hours to do a page!

I was against letting “disabilities” determine college choices but with my other kid, who has serious medical issues, it was so much easier when they were 45 minutes away!

A gap year isn’t going to change the way the brain works. Getting on the right meds and schedule can, though. The summer will be useful for getting those in order.

I would counsel getting tuition refund insurance :slight_smile: It is not a disaster if they try and then it doesn’t work out. My kids have lots of challenges, ups and downs, but it tends to work out, in our experience.

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Thanks so much for this - the scaffolding withdrawal is my biggest concern. She has been in exec skills coaching classes all through high school so she has all of the knowledge and tools, it is just the execution that is worrisome.
Also, your screen name was one of my absolute favorite books as a kid - made me smile today. :slight_smile:

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My kid did not take a gap year but he did enroll in a smaller LAC like college out of state that was a great fit for him. He was able to keep on track and finish in four years and do pretty well. He was able to get great schooling that prepared him on applying to jobs and gaining employment in his career.

I have two neurodiverse kids. ShawSon is severely dyslexic, has a speech delay and ADHD. He was also dealing with sleep apnea. He found doing everything he needed to do in his senior year exhausting. He was burnt out. So, he took a gap year. In the gap year, he took SATs and ACTs and applied to colleges in addition to a surgery. He had no interest in the kind of structured gap year programs that our friends kept suggesting. Instead, we tried to ensure a bunch of different valuable actitivies of his choice. Among other things, he worked on a presidential campaign, worked on a co-authored young adult novel, playing on an ultimate frisbee machine, did research on the neurology of reading with a professor at a local university. He also used the year to relax and get ready for university. It was really valuable for him and he said he felt a lot more mature and focused than his fellow freshman. He was admitted to a number of very good schools including one of the most highly ranked LACs. When he arrived for freshman orientation, the head of admissions gave a talk to the assembled freshman and described some of the more interesting people in the class and described ShawSon and a number of his gap year activities. So, I think the gap year, well used helped his college admissions.

ShawD is ADHD and had a lot anxiety. I encouraged her to take a gap year. But she was eager to get on with life in part because, although she is quite bright, she was not interested in learning for learning’s sake. Her ADHD diagnosis came as a sophomore in HS, in part because she was diagnosed (incorrectly, it turned out) with a progressive, degenerative retinal disease that would have led to legal blindness. It took us several years to diagnose and treat her vision problems and then we were able to diagnose/focus on ADHD in HS. In her sophomore year, she started taking Ritalin and this, along with extra time on tests, made a huge difference. She could have used maturity, but she made a decision early in her freshman year to switch from biology to nursing and was admitted for her second semester as a transfer into an accelerated 5 year BSN/MSN program. Her maturity really kicked in.

ShawWife and I worked to provide scaffolding for both kids in HS and college. We hired someone who worked with ShawSon in HS on organizing his week, judging his workload. When ShawSon got to college, she continued to monitor his email and work with him on work planning, but he ceased to need it by sophomore or junior year.

ShawD didn’t want to work with the person who helped ShawSon, but she found someone who coached kids in her private HS on work habits and ran a daily study hall. In her first college, the DSO paired her with an older student in her program who helped her know what she could expect each week. When she transferred, we hired a tutor at the first inkling of any confusion or trouble. She picked up the EF over time as well, especially as she took one or two part-time jobs in addition to a fairly demanding program, and needed the Ritalin during the weeks.

The good news: Both kids did very well in college, completed graduate degress and are now succeeding in their careers.

Neither kids is on the austism spectrum, but I know it well as my father was a very high-functioning man on the spectrum and two of my three siblings appear to have elements of behavior that would place them on the spectrum. When I got to college, I realized two things. First, unlike HS, there were people of my intellectual caliber there. Second, I had no social skills, did not know how to read social situations, so I knew I did not know how to engage and was quite shy. I decided that I had to learn social skills and did so, both from the academic literature and from help from others. I did so during college and grad school.

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OP- I think at some point, as driven as she is, needs to think about the reality that if she DOESN’T become a vet, her life isn’t over. There are plenty of kids who aren’t dealing with ADHD who find any of the “pre’s” overwhelming- and that’s fine. There are folks who love animals who work in preservation, in animal nutrition, work for advocacy organizations to protect habitat and preserve species… the whole gamut. So if it were my kid, the goal would be a safe and healthy and successful transition to college. And if that means a gap year- great. If that means taking it slow (i.e. find out what the credit requirement is going to be to maintain full time student status)-- great. And if it means a B or a C+ while transitioning to independent living, the demands of a college curriculum, etc.- so be it.

So maybe a broader conversation- let’s figure out the best way for you to transition to college, and see what her concerns might be. And maybe a reality check for her–imagine a scenario where she had to manage all of her classwork, assignments, deadlines, etc. without outside help. How is she going to know when she needs to reach out for help? Who is she going to enlist in helping her? What will the conversation be like when she tells a professor that she either needs an incomplete- and can he/she help her figure out a realistic deadline for completing the work- or she needs to drop the class.

I don’t have ADHD, and I got an F freshman year, took an incomplete when I got pneumonia, and had a suicidal roommate to boot. It was a crash course in self-advocacy and I was 17 and not terribly sophisticated about life in general. My professors were very, very kind; my advisor was useless; the Dean was amazing; the folks at Health Services (who I tried to enlist in getting my roommate sent home to deal with her suicidal threats) were beyond useless if there’s even a word for that. And the RA was completely checked out.

My point is that college demands a new level of “dealing with stuff”. And it deserves a few discussions with your D about how she plans to handle “stuff”, and whether or not she thinks a year of maturing will help.

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