people are leaving IL to go to Bama?
hmmmm - yeah - but that’s neither here nor there.
The article is a bit old but in the current year it’s 1,612 students, only behind Georgia at 2,803, Texas at 2,007, and Florida at 1,695. CA and TN are also well over 1,000. It’s a very geographically diverse school. Another 2,000 from NY/NJ/CT.
They buy kids in - the weather is good, the campus is gorgeous, and people love winning sports teams (something they’ve been blessed with).
Off topic - but I was just joking about someone paying them back for their exports !!
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Thank you. Yes my kid is more of a Midwesterner he grew up there. We only moved to FL before his Junior year, although I’m a little worried that he’s started to forget what winter is really like! We are also wary of the current trend of so many wanting the SEC type southern schools. I told him if he was willing to go the opposite way, he’d likely be able to punch above his weight and get into some excellent academic schools with generations of successful alumni. I’m not trying to knock the FSU’s, Auburns or Clemson of the world, but their track record of being top tier in demand universities is relatively new. The Big 10 has been at it since the 1800’s. We know these schools have staying power and tremendous alumni networks.
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I agree…the SEC schools are a fad. The Big 10 schools are a staple.
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Agreed! The SEC schools do have two advantages though- cost and easier admits.
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He got into great universities - but let’s be honest - at all the schools you mentioned his opportunity is the same.
Here in suburban Nashville, a student turned down Yale for Auburn. I know kids who turned down Northwestern for UTK. Some schools you mentioned in the South, are in fact, harder to get into then some in the midwest.
I think the midwest are great schools - but I’ll disagree that they can’t keep pace with the big 10. My kid (engineering at Bama) had 5 offers and 20 interviews by xmas. Works with Michigan, Case Western, but also W Michigan.
Today, kids are getting hired off linkedin and indeed. It’s a different world. It’s not the - x companies are coming to only this campus anymore. Even some on campus recruiting is virtual today and doing many campuses in one day. It’s why you see kids from name your school - the Bama, U of SC, UGA, ASU at the Goldman Sachs of the world.
They are great universities in the midwest - but I personally disagree with your assessment. Not sure where you work - but where I’ve worked (two large companies) - UCLA or Long Beach State…they all mix (when I was out West). Here in the South: West Georgia (a school I never heard of), UGA, Ga Tech, Emory, Florida, Vanderbilt, West Virginia…they all mix. We had IU - but he’s no longer.
IU, in fact, and highly ranked, is not the hardest admit - which is why it’s so popular…but obviously, they’ve built a great reputation.
Especially because it doesn’t seem like he’s headed to banking, etc. - I think he’ll have great opportunities from all - as long as he takes advantage of available resources.
In the end, he has to be happy - and hopefully one of the schools will really stick. For accounting or supply chain - the where will matter less even though some schools are rated higher. Heck, my nephew at UNLV at big 4 recruiting for accounting. For Supply Chain, it’s hot everywhere although Michigan State and Arizona State are best known for it.
I suspect no matter which school he chooses - if he’s persistent and takes advantage of opportunities, he’ll be just fine from any of these schools.
Anyway, that’s my take - but what you all decide is what matters.
Best of luck.
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Thank you, you raise some good points. He’s not likely wanting to go to Wall Street. But I do think there are some differences in the quality of education between universities. I attended three state flagships myself, Wisconsin, Oklahoma and Kansas (and received degrees from two of them). They were all great, but almost regardless of department Wisconsin had stronger professors and academic chops. I do firmly believe you can get an excellent high quality education at any of those three (and many more). As I said the Big 10 schools are a known commodity going back generations. That has some value (at least in my mind). But ultimately I’ll let the kid decide what’s right for him.
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Yes and no.
There are some harder admits - namely UGA and UF - taking out Vandy - and some up and coming B Schools - whether Culverhouse or Walton. I never think A&M as SEC and that’s another. Then you have UTK and a near top rank supply chain getting tougher and U of SC and the top International Business.
The Big 10 has the Iowa, Nebraska, IU, Michigan State, Purdue (not a hard admit in many majors), PSU.
I wouldn’t say the SEC is a fad - that’s unfair. And yes, the Big 10 is a staple.
They both have wonderful universities of varying selectivity.
Like the ACC. And before it imploded, the Pac 10.
It certainly happens. 7 years ago…
I guess it’s news worthy because of the rarity.
FYI She stayed local in Tennessee, seems successful and works as a marketing analyst for Nissan.
This thread does give me pause on my belief that harder admit = better school = better job outcomes. Thx for all the great thoughts
As long as you are being persuaded by anonymous strangers….
In my experience it depends on the industry. In certain careers that correlation exists.
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That’s too funny
Hi everyone. I appreciate all of the thoughtful contributors on this site. My S24 has been accepted to IU/Kelly and UMD/Smith, among a few others, but these two are at the top of the list. We’ve toured both schools and have a pretty good feel for what each offers academically and for career opportunities. We are trying to assess some of the less measurable factors like campus culture, school spirit, importance of Greek life, dorm living conditions (seems like a problem at UMD from what I can tell), etc.
Any input on these or other “intangibles” you deem relevant in comparing these two universities would be much appreciated. Thank you!
I agree on this, although I may be wrong, haha! When I was growing up Clemson was an “okay” school, but Purdue was a good school. Speaking to folks up north who have no/younger kids I consistently get the reaction “University of Tennessee? Why would you send a kid there?” Whereas they hear Kelley or Purdue and the reaction is “That’s a good school”. Now, these people are behind the times, but they are hiring managers. My colleagues in NC understand the appeal of UTK, Clemson, 'Bama, and there’s a lot of career opportunity in the south, so it may all come out in the wash.
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I have a Junior at IU Kelley who is thriving. He started thinking Finance and changed to Accounting during his Sophomore year and will likely be there for 5 years to get the required 150 hours for CPA. The campus is beautiful. The football program is not great but the tailgating is still fun. Basketball is the focus and the environment in assembly hall is unmatched. Student season tickets are available - they typically get about half of the games. Dorms are fine but most Freshman don’t necessarily get their first preference. My son was a Freshman during Covid and the dorm food situation was a disaster - hopefully this has improved. I don’t feel it is necessary to live in LLC - good to get out of the Kelley bubble. Only have to live in dorm Freshman year so pressure to find apartment lease starts up in Fall of freshman year which is really stressful. Many new apartment complexes way off campus luring students with amenities - I think preferable to live close enough to walk to classes. I can’t speak to Greek life but it seems that most frats are on probation at some point - I don’t think Greek life is as big as other Big10 campuses. Bars are very strict for under 21 compared to some other campuses (ie UIUC). Kelley students typically find comradery through joining clubs.
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Good thoughts. And as someone who went to Oklahoma (as I mentioned up thread), I keep wondering when OU will start getting the love like Tennesseee, Clemson or South Carolina? OU is every bit their equal but hasn’t got hot, yet. I think it’s coming, and I think a lot of this is may be cyclical, although the draw to warm weather may persist.
Every school mentioned is a strong university that can get students to good solid careers, but I’m gonna die on the hill that Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana etc. have a big head start going back decades and are on average a notch above on the strength and breadth of their programs and faculty. Not so say the southern schools aren’t working to catch up. And a few are already very strong right now (Florida, Georgia Tech, UNC).
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My Bama kid was in Utah 6 months, now Arizona. He’ll have two more 6 month rotations - could be in the East but he’s asked for out west.
His offers - of the 5 and would have been 6 but when his intern company called to offer, he told them he already accepted a job - that would have been the only in the 6th. It would have been the only southern offer. I think two or three of his 20 interviews were ‘southern’ companies. It’s likely industry specific.
A parent from my son’s school DM’d me their kid is headed to California - at a very high salary - yes, 6 figures. That’s the entire - the location matters - more than the school - thing.
The times have changed. That’s the reality.
For almost every job, you can get to everywhere from anywhere - that’s the power of the Internet and covid helped speed the move.
Don’t believe me? I think Cornell is pretty good.
Look at their last two years of reporting - 21/22 - by far and away - not even close - jobs were found on the net (company websites/indeed) followed by linked. Third - way down the list - is Cornell’s handshake - also an Internet source but for their jobs (most schools have handshake). Interview on campus - about 1/6 of the # of Internet/Linked. I’m anonymous - but I’m data driven.
It’s 2024 and going forward. At many flagships, even those that people don’t find of a higher ilk, I can find a McKinsey/BCG/Bain or GS/Morgan Stanely, etc. and even Jane Street.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some like to disparage others vs. support their own opinions. If you’ve got an opinion, I may disagree - but you are entitled and I appreciate it.
It’s my belief but as I noted upthread - in the end, since the folks are taking the kids to all the schools and budget isn’t an issue - the very most important thing is - that the student finds a campus that just feels right to them.
Big 10, SEC, ACC, WAC, CAA - whatever - they all have fantastic schools. But not all fantastic schools are fantastic for an individual - and that’s the trick, can the individual find the one fantastic for them.
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This is the worst. My daughter connected with kids first month, had to find a lease, found out that one of the kids was a nightmare and had to live with her. It took money and time but we were able to get her out.
But these poor kids are barely there and already need to rent for the next year - to have a shot at a suitable place (which for us meant close). You can find them later - drop outs, etc. but it’s really really really stressful - especially for the dorm kids.
I wish that could be changed…like they weren’t signing leases 9 months in advance…but they are.
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OU had the love - but then got caught cheating the rankings 
We had a visit and it was hands down the best visit. It was organized. They shuttled us everywhere (including the meteorology campus down the street). Provided “real” conversations, immense resources. They did it right.
I called on car dealers in OK - great people, fine school, and lots of Texans.
I think Barry Switzer killed the reputation though I still remember one of the players saying they were shooting guns out of the apartment !!
Nothing wrong with OU.
Many of these flagships and non flag ships have students who got into elite schools but chose the one they’re at for whatever the reason. Sure, there’s lots of lesser students too - but these schools have plenty of resources for those who want it - and OU has produced an inordinate # of leaders!!
Congrats to you - in my opinion, a beautiful place to spend four years.
University of Oklahoma gave false data to U.S. News college rankings for 20 years | CNN
A reminder that this thread is about the Big 10. There are countless other threads to discuss other schools and the prestige for banking debate. Please get back on topic.
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