BJP or Congress? Either or neither?

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@callthecops

Adi, do you serisously believe that Congress does what it does for the muslims out of their kindhearted, generous nature? They just are playing the minority card trying to get votes by bashing the moderately “hindutva” base of the BJP. Congressmen dont give a tuppens for the minorities if it werent for their votes…lets face it.

Congress has followed an ‘integrationist’ policy since its inception, it has always favored equal rights and opportunities to all religions. Thats why it has always been pitched against Hindu nationalist parties such as the RSS, the Hindu Mahasabha (of which Nathuram Godse was a member), VHP, BJP. So, the ‘Muslim appeasement’ policy of congress as you call it, is not because of BJP but has been at its core since the very beginning!</p>

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@og

The congress gave birth to our reform process? Dude, the Congress has been ruling us for 50 years and only when we had the financial crisis in the early 90s… did they wake up for the need to reform…

Yea, Nehru’s socialist policies destroyed our economy (thats why he’s my most disliked pm) and thats why India was on the brink of bankrupty in 1991 and thats when Rao and Singh’s liberalization bailed India out! they were the fathers of reforms, BJP has continued the liberalization and so has Congress again during this term (and every party will except for the comrades!)</p>

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@og

The privitisation of airports was laid out by the NDA… the present government simply continued in that direction.

Can you back that statement with any sources?? Because i had never heard of that before. And it seems like you are giving BJP the credit for all the steps that have been taken, i would believe you, but just give me the sources to back up your claims.</p>

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@og

The employment guarantee bill is protectionist measure… its going to drain us financially and is populist measure… it takes us back to the 50s!!! Its a HUGE mistake IMHO… The way forward is capitalism… and pure capitalism… We can’t mix socialist economic policies with capitalism… the congress has tried that and has failed miserably… and continues to fail

In a country as vast as India, according to me, the only way of giving a fair opportunity to as many people as possible is this bill. I believe that no1 here is in favor of quotas, so the only way of bringing everyone on the same platform is this bill. It alleviates the dire stratas of the society and gives them some relief which should pave way for education for their children and thus better opportunites for them.
But i would say that it is premature because it has to backed up with absolute transparency, for which the Right to Information act is not sufficient. There was an article on BBC which talked about the info. act and how costly it is.</p>

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@og

South Korea is a democratic country with a per capita income lower than us during indepedence… but today… their per capita income is close to the US’s…</p>

<p>Its not about democracy… its about political will

its about economic decisions, Nehru's protectionist measures killed our economy, and basically, it meant that we started from nil in 1991 on not in 1947. So, considering where we are today and owing it to just 15 years, i say we did a good job.</p>

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@og

We need competition… we need huge investment in hypermarkets… Only this can create many many jobs, improve infrastructure and the standard of living… There will be short term loss in jobs… but we cannot thing about the short-term like the congress has been doing for 50 years

try to think of this in the microscopic level for a second. For a person to move from being the owner of his own shop to working in a factory, Thats huge for him. He’ll be ****ed off! and consider lacs of people like him. Its not possible to make such a huge transition of millions from their ownership status to just a job status. You can’t do that by enacting a single act allowing foreign retail shops. So as i said, it will be a slow process that will take some years, maybe a decade. But you can’t rush these things.
And you say that the Congress took just a tiny step, tell me, what BJP did to liberalize the retail sector, i can’t remember any steps that they took!</p>

[abduke]

<p>And what exactly is so wrong with the points on their agenda that you listed Adides?</p>

<p>I’ve yet to hear any views in support of the continuation of Article 370 by anyone.
Forced conversions are always bad and are against our fundamental rights of freedom to practise our religion.
A ban against cow slaughter is a part of our Directive Principles of State Policy and something that even Gandhi, a strong champion of secularism, was a strong advocate of.
As for the Ram Janambhoomi Temple,a majority of the Indian populace still supports its construction…</p>

<p>Please read this link for a source regarding Airport privatisation-
<a href=“http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1644648,00120002.htm[/url]”>http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1644648,00120002.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>“The NDA government started the modernisation process in 2003, constituting the Egom, the group including Jaswant Singh, Arun Shourie and Arun Jaitley. This was followed by the selection and appointment of the financial and legal consultant and a global technical advisor through international bidding. The global tendering process was scheduled to be over with the bids by August 2004. But by then the NDA was out of power. In its place was a government which had the Left parties steering it. It took more than a year and a half to complete the bid process.”</p>

<p>Also,what about the stalling of the Golden Quadilateral Project by the UPA?That must be a valuable contribution to our economic development indeed…</p>

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Thats why it has always been pitched against Hindu nationalist parties such as the RSS, the Hindu Mahasabha

And that’s why it has no qualms about having the Indian Union Muslim League as an alliance partner, even though it may be actively communal.</p>

[ronty007]

<p>^^^ wow! You wrote my reply :)</p>

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@abduke

Forced conversions are always bad and are against our fundamental rights of freedom to practise our religion.

But you know that they want to ban all types of conversions, because there is no way to know if a conversion was forced or not. And putting a ban on conversions of any kind is an infringement on a person’s religious FREEDOM as well. </p>

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@abduke

A ban against cow slaughter is a part of our Directive Principles of State Policy and something that even Gandhi, a strong champion of secularism, was a strong advocate of.

Gandhi supported a ban on cow slaughter mainly because of its economic uses and not the religious affiliations and even his support does not justify the ban though. Now, if you put a ban on cow slaughter, you are actually asking the muslims to give up their traditions and start following the hindu customs. Again, thats against the basic principles of secularism and freedom. What if Hindus were a minority in India and they were banned from, say, celebrating diwali? Just trying to draw an analogy using an exxageration here.</p>

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@abduke

As for the Ram Janambhoomi Temple,a majority of the Indian populace still supports its construction…

A majority support can never justify what happened in 92 or the construction. Again, let me use an analogy. Lets say, that tomorrow the citizens of US decide to start putting the minorities down and for that they start demolishing all mosques, temples etc. Even if the majority supports it, would you justify their actions??</p>

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@abduke

And that’s why it has no qualms about having the Indian Union Muslim League as an alliance partner, even though it may be actively communal.

I said this before as well, this is indian coalition politics, parties which are fundamentally opposite in view points come together to form the government. BJP, too, has had its fair share of unlikely coalitions. The BJP-BSP coalition, Kanshiram has said that ‘Brahmins should be driven out of the country’, Mayawati, too, has made a fair share of insulting statements about Rama, I doubt if any of these things were endorsed by the BJP.</p>

[Abhi08544]

<p>Just making few poins

yeah, and demolishing mosques and killing muslims in large numbers won’t do anything to the indian unity, right?? and why would you think that the congress is trying to appease the minorities?? just because they say that india belongs to the muslims as much as it does to the hindus (which makes soooo much more sense than what the BJP says!)

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<p>Even the RSS says that india belongs to the muslims as much as it does to the hindus. BJP and RSS have been an object of hatred among u all for long. It seems u don’t know what RSS is. During the Gujrat Quake RSS syasevaks saved hundreds of life both of muslims and hindu, when the congress people were sleeping or finding places to hide.
RSS demans few things</p>

<p>1) Abolistion of special status to Kashmir: Seems reasonabl, after all One Nation One Goverment.</p>

<p>2)Ram Janbhumi Temple: New Survey done by ASI proves that there was a temple beneath Babri Masjid.</p>

<p>3)Swadeshi: Machine made cloth that you are wearing has made lakhs of worker unemployed.</p>

<p>It seems, most of you are ashamed of being a Hindu.</p>

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Yea, Nehru’s socialist policies destroyed our economy (thats why he’s my most disliked pm) and thats why India was on the brink of bankrupty in 1991 and thats when Rao and Singh’s liberalization bailed India out! they were the fathers of reforms, BJP has continued the liberalization and so has Congress again during this term (and every party will except for the comrades!)

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<p>It was Indira Gandhi’s policis that destroyed the economy(License and Permit Raj were enacted during her rule)</p>

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Now, if you put a ban on cow slaughter, you are actually asking the muslims to give up their traditions and start following the hindu customs

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<p>Eating beef is no way a tradition for muslims. Tell me is eating Butter Chicken a tradition in Punjab.</p>

[wasup]

<p>okay okay,just dont eat the t’s and d’s dude…</p>