<p>Arjun, r u crazy?? we will overtake US by 2020???.. U made me laugh so hard!!
According to the studies of some big people at most probably Harvard/Oxbridge, the only country which will match US in terms of its economy and military might is China, and that too by 2050.</p>
<p>Rural development is a hogwash…
What is needed is strong growth in industry and services… Only growth in these sectors has the ability to employ the masses and transform rural india…</p>
<p>Rural India will remain rural as long as most of them depend on agriculture for a living</p>
<p>Hey vote for me It will be like Legally blonde in Indian Parliament</p>
<p>ok… i m signing off! 
Will come on later…</p>
<p>personally i feel congress needs to work (HEAVILY) on CPM while BJP has disappointed in field of secularism so i say neither</p>
<p>agriculture still employs 50% of the workforce og…
ronty…u underestimate the Indian economy…just 5yrs back the same professors dismissed India’s IT industry as a ‘temporary money makin machine to hide the faults of the economy’…the results r for all to c</p>
<p>Dude…one fact I want to tell u. India is so BIG. Bangalore is so famous for IT. Right??? Yes… but Ireland earns more through IT related services… Believing is good. But unrealistic things are bad, especially which isnt possible normally. India cannot overtake or match US by 2020. Its 2006 now, and there are several farmers in India who are commiting suicide due to many problems. Most of the Indians live in Villages, and not in cities like Mumbai, Bangalore. Almost 50% of our citizens are still illiterate. Child labour is common. Social security is below par in most of the places. Everyday some big scams are being done by the politicians. So no way by 2020!
Yes, we all should work for our nation, but with a realistic approach. </p>
<p>You cannot make companies like Google just tomorrow, when you learnt about computers today. :D</p>
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<p>Nope. he was referring to me. But hey, it’s Spring Break and I don’t want to write my lab report!</p>
<p>wonderful… u guys really set to start this debate again… but i feel its kinda irrelevant now as the stuff last yr was moreso due to the elections…now nothing,.</p>
<p>sucharita… so well u had pledged not to return to CC… nice thought… though well for regulars it aint as easy as it sounds…</p>
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would love it if you would explain why and give explanations for your statements.</p>
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a great political move! and ronty every move is going to have some political motives behind it. had she not resigned, you would have still criticised her for holding an office of profit. try to be fair in your decisions :)</p>
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First of all, it was the congress that actually gave birth to the ‘reform process’, secondly, i think that the congress has been much more committed to reforms than the BJP. The privatization of airports, the employment guarantee (a bit premature though), the floating status of indian currency (coming soon) far outdoes anything done by the BJP.</p>
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that makes a lot of sense, but the only problem is that large proportion of indian population is self-employed by the retail sector, that is, so many people own small shops and earn their incomes through that. Suddenly opening the retail sector to stores such as walmart would put the ‘small shop’ owners out of business MAKING PEOPLE LOSE JOBS, atleast in the short term. So, instead of implementing this momentous reform of ‘opening the retail market’, the governments go through this step slowly, by taking baby steps towards it and they will finally implement it, but when the people are better prepared.</p>
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yeah, and demolishing mosques and killing muslims in large numbers won’t do anything to the indian unity, right?? and why would you think that the congress is trying to appease the minorities?? just because they say that india belongs to the muslims as much as it does to the hindus (which makes soooo much more sense than what the BJP says!)</p>
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we had the cold war till 1989, where we supported russia, so ofcourse US would support Pakistan. After that, it was 6-8 years of nothing. Then BJP comes into power and thats when US imposes restrictions on India (i dont blame the BJP for that though, support the nuke test). The point i am trying to make is that, the strengthening of US-India ties isn’t because of BJP or Congress, its just because of US’s changing foreign policy where having India on its side is advantageous for the US. </p>
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To get to that growth level, india has to take steps like China’s which are not acceptable in a democracy. running bulldozers over people’s homes to improve infrastructure is precisely the reason for the Chinese people’s dissatisfaction with their government. Although, India won’t grow that fast, India has much stronger foundations of democracy.</p>
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None can argue with that, Lalu has infact revolutionized the railways, (again, i condemn everything that he has done in Bihar, but i have to appreciate his railway job!)</p>
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According to me, the only way of alleviating rural india of its poverty is to do the same thing that the US did, improve agriculture’s efficiency by modernising it and accompanying this with improvment in the industry and services sector (as you said), this will ensure a transition of population from agriculture to industry and services.</p>
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discussing politics is never irrelevant, period. ;)</p>
<p>and sorry for the two giant posts, the first time i checked, i saw two pages of discussion, so just replied, but just one more point,
let me ask you a question:
IF you have two choices, one where INDIA GROWS AT OVER 10% BUT PEOPLE ARE KILLING EACH OTHER, second where, INDIA GROWS AT 8%, BUT THERE IS COMMUNAL HARMONY, what would you choose?</p>
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<p>I know that its a political move, but the hype surrounding her resignation as if she has again done something great isnt justified. She had to resign or face disqualification. Thats it. She isnt “Tyaag ki devi” as shown by the Congress people.</p>
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<p>I never said that BJP isnt communal. Their govt. in Gujarat is among the worst govt. India has ever had. But, riots tool place during Congress’s regime too. Do u remember people like Jagdish Tytler?? He is a congressman. The Congress party caused the killing of many Sikhs. Bihar riots took place when Congress was the ruling party in Bihar. Why are they reserving quotas for Muslim Students at AMU?? Its it minority appeasement? Are they any less intelligent than their Hindu counterparts? Do u know about the appeasement of Muslims in Andhra by again giving them undue reservations??</p>
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<p>I will go for the latter. But can you please tell me which Indian party will provide the latter type of government? Please tell me :D</p>
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<p>Adi, do you serisously believe that Congress does what it does for the muslims out of their kindhearted, generous nature? They just are playing the minority card trying to get votes by bashing the moderately “hindutva” base of the BJP. Congressmen dont give a tuppens for the minorities if it werent for their votes…lets face it.</p>
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<p>The congress gave birth to our reform process? Dude, the Congress has been ruling us for 50 years and only when we had the financial crisis in the early 90s… did they wake up for the need to reform…</p>
<p>The privitisation of airports was laid out by the NDA… the present government simply continued in that direction. The floating status of the indian currency was a decision taken after the RBI strongly recommended it after good macro-economic performance… During the NDA regime, the RBI wasn’t in favor of a floating status of the indian rupee… You need to have large forex reserves to be able to take such a step… and during the NDA government… the forex reserves were still not at that level…</p>
<p>So really… if the NDA was in power now… I would have expected them to privatise airports and and float the rupee… I’d also expect them to liberalise the retail sector, open up the financial markets and push forward with radical disinvestment (something we badly need).</p>
<p>The employment guarantee bill is protectionist measure… its going to drain us financially and is populist measure… it takes us back to the 50s!!! Its a HUGE mistake IMHO… The way forward is capitalism… and pure capitalism… We can’t mix socialist economic policies with capitalism… the congress has tried that and has failed miserably… and continues to fail </p>
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<p>South Korea is a democratic country with a per capita income lower than us during indepedence… but today… their per capita income is close to the US’s…</p>
<p>Its not about democracy… its about political will</p>
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<p>The government step has taken ZERO steps to opening up the retail sector… 51% cap in single-brand shops does nothing to ensure rapid growth in our huge consumer market… Our retail market has soooo much potential that it can be the biggest employer in India if the government actually works towards that…</p>
<p>We need competition… we need huge investment in hypermarkets… Only this can create many many jobs, improve infrastructure and the standard of living… There will be short term loss in jobs… but we cannot thing about the short-term like the congress has been doing for 50 years</p>
<p>I squarely blame the Gandhis and the congress for India’s current state… called me whatever you want… But Nehru’s socialist vision for India was so pathetically backward for even that time… Countries like Japan and Korea were moving towards capitalism in the 50s… but Nehru wanted socialism…</p>
<p>Even during the 80s when China was liberalising… The congress party sat on their asses whole day… spending their time worshipping an idol of Indira Gandhi…</p>
<p>South Korea, Good example right there. I lived in Korea for nearly 2 years and I have seen with my own eyes that despite the ridiculous amount of corruption, they have made rocketed their nation into this century as a global player. India lacks the will to do so…reforms are way too slow and conservatism in thought has really stunted the growth rate.</p>
<p>Take bangalore for example. Its the tech hub of the nation and all the MNCs and even higher-level indian companies are yelling their heads off at the government for ages telling that the infrastructure needs overhauling. The sheer degree of beuracracy (sp?) in the country combined with congress mentality of short-term gain for getting votes for next elections has led to a stunted growth.</p>
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Your exact words were “Congress is the most communal party in Indian politics” meaning the Congress is more communal than BJP
in my honest opinion, that makes no sense whatsoever! BJP, a party that has core Hindu nationalism values as its main policies, can never be less communal than the Congress. Here’s an article from wikipedia (not saying that it has to be true) and observe its similarities with BJP’s announcements in 2004.
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<p>What i see is just a milder version in BJP’s vision document.</p>