<p>It ISNT a reach because of the wording of the FBI statement.</p>
<p>Sally: This is the article I think you are talking about. </p>
<p>[I</a> know the Boston bombers | Fox News](<a href=“http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/04/20/know-boston-bombers/]I”>I know the Tsarnaev brothers' mother | Fox News)</p>
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<p>I know a lot of college students who thought the whole Lose Change/ the building fell faster than gravity thing was a lark. But you can see how irresponsible it is.</p>
<p>Scamming is easy, well known in several immigrant neighborhoods, where there are entire underground networks and avenues to apply/collect public assistance/medicare/medicaid/social security.</p>
<p>Yo. Scamming was only brought up as speculation by arg. Why do you all fly with this? Why do you take a facial customer as authoritative? And yet can think the mom is in Canada when that’s the aunt or that the brothers drove expensive cars because someone else heard Mercedes?</p>
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<p>I thought I heard/read that the police used the onboard navigation system in the Mercedes (Lojack esque) to locate the car…</p>
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<p>Cptofthehouse – I appreciate your post, and the information there. I often wonder why people turn to the dark side. Why it happens on a mass scale. Why it happens on a smaller scale. Why people follow leaders who are extreme, how evil people become leaders. </p>
<p>But in cases like this, I esp. wonder when circumstances don’t seem to force them to this, when they have been exposed to good things here. This is not a war-torn country. Well, maybe in some neighborhoods, it can seem that way – but I don’t think it is that way where these men lived. Even if <em>life was hard</em>, how do people turn from being decent people, getting along in the community, into following such an extremist path? How do the dark influences come to outweigh the good influences? And then, how they get others to go along? It’s such scary stuff. The human mind seems so fragile sometimes.</p>
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<p>I think that he works at Costco in Nashua so he very well might not have insurance.</p>
<p>Edit: he does have health insurance.</p>
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<p>jandjad, that article only says “according to one reporter,” and since a lot of things were reported by various media which turned out to be inaccurate I’ll take that with a grain of salt.</p>
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<p>The two versions are not incompatible. There is, however, no doubt about what Deveau said to Blitzer as it was a taped interview and not journalistic repeated hearsay. He clearly explained what the Watertown police used to track the hijacked car. And directly on national TV. The other reports … draw your own conclusions.</p>
<p>And it remains that it is THAT police force that located the suspects and were involved in the night gun battle. And it remains that such action did not appear to be coordinated with the other police forces who might also have tracked the car through the car system (if that is indeed the case.) </p>
<p>And, fwiw, there is very little known about what happened between the release of the driver of the Mercedes and the confrontation in Watertown. Some seem to tell a story of a car chase during which the suspects were throwing pipebombs outside the car. That story appears to be entirely fantastic. We now know that the brothers were throwing explosives and the third pressure cooker while battling the Watertown officers. </p>
<p>We have been bombarded by a tsunami of news, and very little about the events directly before and after the gunning down of the older bomber.</p>
<p>I’m sure much of the information we have now will turn out to be inaccurate. But if this is another incidence of Muslim extremism, this is not some strange anomaly, and how could these fine young men go to the dark side. There are large numbers of Muslim extremists worldwide, who would have been happy to do this. It just is a shock to see it happening here. But look at worldwide events, bombs are set off by Muslim terrorists all the time, and most of the victims are innocent Muslims.</p>
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<p>The hard life issues are tertiary. Look at Nadal Hassan - he was a doctor. The ideology they subscribe to is strong enough to make them do things that none of us would consider.</p>
<p>How is the driver whose car was highjacked? Is he OK? How traumatizing.</p>
<p>Xiggi, then how can you fault them so early, if we know so little? My point is we’re riled up, passing (possibly mis-) info, building on that, then tying it together so so prematurely. Of course, we’re angered and sad. Separate from that, we can check, think, process.</p>
<p>busdriver-- no, it isn’t an anomaly in other countries. But still, how do countries get to a place where it is not an anomaly? Why do people follow these ideologies at all? When I think about these things, I feel even more fortunate to have been born here in this country.</p>
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<p>Little is known because little worthwhile has been shared. And, one has to question what that is or … was. </p>
<p>Lookingforward, I posted a divergent opinion in light of the massive amount of effusive praise that has been shown on television. It seemed that politicians and law enforcement people where tripping over themselves to repeat the same panegyrics about their actions. What I saw was a bit different. I saw an innocent man being stripped naked and moved around without any attempt to hide his nudity from the national TV. Considering that there were plenty of EMT vehicles, one could have thought of offering a blanket. This is NOT an attack on having disrobed him and be careful about potential bombs on a suspect; it is about the cavalier attitude of the police with people in general. Should we applaud the people who DID that? Or even excuse them? Again, all the difference comes from a simple blanket and a iota of … decency.</p>
<p>I also questioned the facts surrounding the night confrontation. With the vehicles tracked, should we assume that the suspects could get away? Within minutes, there were hundreds of cars in the neighborhood. The simple fact is that despite this, one of them got away and that a police officer was wounded. Again, were those decisions worthy of praise? They got lucky that the young one did not decide to kill a bunch of innocents later on. </p>
<p>And that is the extent of my criticism. Nothing more and nothing less. I am happy to align myself with the people who think the lockdown was effective, and this despite that the arrest was ultimately prompted by a citizen action after the lockdown had been lifted. But also because the suspect was captured and that no additional blood was spilled, except for that of the suspect, perhaps. </p>
<p>And lastly, one ought to wonder about the HASTY actions of the FBI and their jurisdiction claims. </p>
<p>Nothing will change as far as the criminal. His life is over.</p>
<p>I have had sympathies for lawyers assigned to defend such defendents. I would take the case gladly. I have friends who are defense attorneys who have defended heinous criminals. Without, people stepping up to take up the defense, our system would be broken. </p>
<p>The cases where I would have real problems defending, as have many attorneys, even specializing is such fields are the ones such as those masterminding 9/11. </p>
<p>I really think this is some weak, misguided kid who had had no moral compass set in him. He’s no criminal mastermind.</p>
<p>^^ Because, Mstee, unfortunately for many Muslims, it is an extreme ideology based on a whacked out version of their religion. Our predominant religions over here don’t include Islam, and our nutcases don’t have any unifying ideology. I am so sorry for mainstream Muslims when this kind of thing happens, victimized by these extremists in so many ways.</p>
<p>Sadly, I think there might not be all that much info to be gleaned by the hospitalized suspect. He may well have been in the dark about a lot of things, including finances, where brother acquired things and training. He may well have been blindly (and foolishly) following his older brother down a dark path. His parents and aunt seem to be in total denial about everything. Sisters seem silent. </p>
<p>Hope info can be obtained from suspect, but am not optimistic. Hope they did not plant any more explosives anywhere.</p>
<p>I happen to think that when the mom in a family has a nervous breakdown, it is a big deal problem for the family, and way beyond a simple sniff, sniff. Bear in mind, my friend’s family was in very good shape, give the semi celebrity status of the dad who had a good paying job and a university community that gave support. Still, with a mother off the deep end, it was not a good situation for the family, and if the same should ever happen to one of your own loved ones, you’d be doing a lot of sniff, sniff. I certainly would. </p>
<p>That the family scammed the system would not be anything new. I know several families here, very well to do, one interviewed in a national magazine, from the former Soviet Union, and it was pretty danged clear that they divorce and married to get citizenship expedited, both husband and wife, and then redivorced and remarried. They move among society here in NY. Not condoning any of it, mind you, and if I were in any position to go after any cases that came within my sniffing range, I would, but it is a common thing in cities. </p>
<p>The whole idea of those lists is to interview and investigate and then clear those who seem to be fine. If anything, the older brother would be on the cleared list, and not be a person of interest. At the time, there did not seem to be anything to keep him on it other than a request from the area of origin, and who knows how often those requests come from there. That they used the photos and the public seemed to have worked very well. They were identified very quickly. I,too, feel that this was a quick resolution and applaud the authorities, and thank the stars that it worked out that way, because there was a lot of luck involved as well. But much happened that could be improved upon. </p>
<p>I don’t know how useful any of this is going to be in screening out potential terrorists. There really is no way to screen out someone who does not have the moral fibre to say no, to something like this You don’t expect people to so involve themselves, and that they do is the shock. But until they do, unless they were trouble makers in other ways as well, it’s impossible to screen them out. Usually those who do heinous things have some history, a building up of events But this 19 year old was not in that category. He would not have made the cut under any screening methods that I’d advocate. There are some who want every single Muslim in this country put under watch, or better yet put them in internment camps like we did the Japanese during WW2.</p>
<p>“Little is known because little worthwhile has been shared. And, one has to question what that is or … was.”</p>
<p>Why should everything about the police/fbi operations be shared with the public?</p>