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<p>Xig: In the description of that you also read that they were firing at the police with AK-47’s during the car chase. That is a worthwhile detail if it turns out to be true- which I doubt. AK47s are difficult to get and expensive which would point to some outside source they were coordinating with. </p>

<p>One of the news reports said that after the SUV car jacking the two made 3 ATM stops and withdrew $800 [nice planning guys- what were they thinking all week?] and white hat ran into a convience store and tried to take Red Bull and some snack without paying. The clerk yelled at him and he dropped the items and left. </p>

<p>Sometime after that is supposed to be the crazy car chase.</p>

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<p>Re: the FAFSA, neither son went to a college that meets full need. Even with full federal funding (full Pell and Direct Loan), they would NOT be able to pay college and living costs…sorry. </p>

<p>Even if their rent was $1000 a month, they would have needed a money source. What was it?</p>

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<p>Yes, in all the interviews and news articles I’ve read I haven’t read anything about either of the brothers holding an actual job.</p>

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<p>Isn’t there a difference between sharing facts about operations with the public and letting wild speculations circulate for hours that stemmed from BS reports from both the police and the media? </p>

<p>Are there any reasons why details about the “chase” and what happened after the release of the hijacked car driver remain so sketchy. And, for that matter, how much of the car “chase” with explosive thrown out appears to be from the figment of one’s vivid imagination? Have you heard any witness’ accounts about such a chase even happening? We do know that there was a confrontation in Watertown and that explosives were thrown THERE. And that is it! </p>

<p>More than 24 hours after the fact, I do not think that clarifications would be hurting the police or FBI operations. Do you?</p>

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<p>“Isn’t there a difference between sharing facts about operations with the public and letting wild speculations circulate for hours that stemmed from BS reports from both the police and the media?”</p>

<p>I don’t think when operations are ongoing the authorities should be wasting their time correcting wild speculations put out by the media. </p>

<p>I don’t know what more you think happened during the time from when they were aware of the SUV and began tracking it until the bombers got out of the car and starting shooting at the cops and lobbing grenades at them. They tracked it, spotted it, called for back up and followed it until the bombers stopped the car. It certainly seems clear to me but then I’m not much into conspiracy theories.</p>

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<p>The older brother had a job as a lifeguard at the Harvard pool. He was also a boxer, a danged good one, and no idea what one can make doing that. However, IMO, he was probably getting funding from some illicit group. I would not be surprised at all. </p>

<p>The younger brother was a full time student at UMass Dartmouth, living in the dorms. It appears that he was a reasonably good student in high school, winning a city scholarship. With a zero EFC and parents who did not meet PLUS standards, he could have gotten up about $17K just in entitlement awards. A small grant from the university from the university, some work study or outside work would have taken care of the rest. </p>

<p>What puzzles me more is how the the parents were able to mover back to Europe and seem to be living just fine there, and why. They went through a lot of trouble to move here, seemed to have gotten somewhat stable, left their kids here, and both went back. Are they on any kind of social security or other payments from here? The area where they live is not brimming with handouts. IT’s a tough go to live there. The feeling I get is that they are not living in abject poverty there. Yet they didn’t strike gold here in the US and go back with their mother lode either. Something isn’t adding up for me there. How the two brothers were making it, is less of a puzzle to me, as I see a lot of young people making do, living around here. NYC has some of the most expensive rents in the world, but one can find deals when one gets to know people and places. So it is with Boston, I’m sure.</p>

<p>But IMO, the older brother got recruited into some organization a few years ago, and was “turned” enough to send to Europe and get terrorist training. Ticket to go there are not cheap, and he upped and went for 6 long months. What on earth was he doing there? This is while little brother was still here in the US and at college. This is his second year of college, Don’t know when the mother went back to Chechnya or whereever she and her husband now live.</p>

<p>If the younger brother knows anything and tells, it would be a big break for the authorities because it is virtually impossible chasing down all of these small terrorist cells in this country. It’s a shame the older one is not available for questioning.</p>

<p>It’s important we get information as to how the police acted and reacted because they need to be kept under control too. The police do not always obey the law. Without controls, it can be a very bad situation. I have a distinct feeling that the Watertown shoot out sequence of events are not going to show the police in very good light. Nor their reactions to finding the suspect in the boat. I think they were just interested in exterminating both suspects The way other suspects were treated leaves a lot to be desired, as well. There is no reason for them to act they way they did in many cases. Yes, when it’s crunch time, we give them a lot of leeway, but they’[ve acted like every time is crunch time, some of them anyways, and they need to understand that they do have to follow rules. It would be most distressing to find out that there were no weapons found with the young man in the boat, for all of the shots that were heard. I hope I am wrong, but I have a bad feeling that some cops may have shot, and were shut down by FBI and others above that pay level who wanted the perp alive. The brother who was killed was not wearing a suicide vest, and was shot more times than the coroner could even count. I do think it 's going to be interesting to find out exactly what some of these sequence of events were, and the police may not come out looking so good.</p>

<p>As for how things were handled at the Marathon. A+. Our first responders in crises like this are like none else in the world IMO and I’ll certainly give them every credit. I also think identifying and catching the two in the time span was incredible. But that does not mean the police can do as they please at every phase of these situations. I don’t know how any of you/us would have felt if stripped and forced to stand naked in full view like that? Was it necessary? Or was someone feeling too danged important for his own good.</p>

<p>I had to get involved in a situation where a police officer out and out lied about something. Twice. Both times caught, once on tape. Friend of mine just caught one doing the same in a situation. So yes, it happens, and they have to been held responsible.</p>

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<p>Got it, Xiggi; the eagle has landed .</p>

<p>But htg, this is the first I’ve heard about AK47s. Watch that one grow, folks.</p>

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<p>I grew up in this area. This is the Inman Square section of Cambridge which is a very run down area. There are many many areas of Cambridge that are not well to do.</p>

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<p>I agree about wasting time when operations are ongoing. Hence my comments started more than a day later.</p>

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<p>Who is talking about conspiracies theories? Or about “more things” that happened. Isn’t it obvious that you think the facts developed as you stated (not sure about the mythical car chase) and that everything was handled as it should. I happen to think that someone jumped the proverbial gun and that the “pursuit” of a tracked vehicle could have been accomplished without alerting the suspects, or confronting them without the proper backup. What we think is also irrelevant; the results remain the same with an injured cop and a suspect who did escape. </p>

<p>But again, you and I can pick the story we feel is more believable because the reports have remained nebulous. And pick the stories that correspond better to our own perception of the work of our police forces.</p>

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<p>Yes. Don’t understand why no blanket was offered either. That would have the decent thing to do.</p>

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<p>“But again, you and I can pick the story we feel is more believable because the reports have remained nebulous. And pick the stories that correspond better to our own perception of the work of our police forces.”</p>

<p>I’m only going by what Capt. Deveau said and I have no reason to not believe him. </p>

<p>According to Deveau:</p>

<p>"The brothers were driving two cars, the S.U.V. and a Honda. The S.U.V. owner’s cellphone was still in the car. “Lucky for him and lucky for us that his cellphone remained in that vehicle, so we were able to get updates” on its location, Chief Deveau said.</p>

<p>Around 12:30 a.m., on a residential street, a Watertown police officer spotted the vehicles. He radioed for backup.</p>

<p>Law enforcement officers from across the Boston area were heading to the scene, he said, but before they could arrive, the brothers stopped their cars and opened fire."</p>

<p>[Updates</a> on Aftermath of Boston Marathon Explosions - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/updates-on-aftermath-of-boston-marathon-explosions-3/]Updates”>April 20 Updates on Aftermath of Boston Marathon Explosions - The New York Times)</p>

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<p>You can go straight to Blitzer’s interview with Deveau, no detour needed.</p>

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<p>If I recall correctly, I was the first one to offer a link to Edward Deveau’s explanations. And, if I recall correctly, someone asked me where I heard about the cell tracking. </p>

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<p>I am not sure why you point me in that direction … again. I believe Deveau, but that is hardly the point I made here. And, that is obviously the source I used (after watching Blitzer’s interview of Deveau this morning) to form my opinion about a poorly executed plan of tracking and intercepting the suspects.</p>

<p>Ask yourself why the suspects decided to attack a police car? Hazard? Luck of the draw? Considering how dangerous those guys were, if there is something that make no sense is that the early interceptors did not try to remain oblivious to the terrorists until more forces gathered. Again, those guys were tracked and were not gonna far.</p>

<p>It remains me of the story of the young bull and his grandpa looking at some beautiful young Daisies. Grandpa, let’s run really quickly and get one of 'em ladies. No, son, let’s walk over there, and get them all!</p>

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<p>“If I recall correctly, I was the first one to offer a link to Edward Deveau’s explanations. And, if I recall correctly, someone asked me where I heard about the cell tracking.”</p>

<p>That was me. </p>

<p>Did you want the Watertown police to wait for an unmarked car to show up to begin following them? What if the bombers ditched the SUV before that one had a chance to show up? If that had happened I’m sure the criticism would have been about why the cops didn’t try to do something when they had them in their sights. </p>

<p>Imo, it is what it is and I’m not going to nit pick what the police/fbi did or did not do. I think it’s pretty amazing that it only took 4 days to get the job done.</p>

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<p>Ugh.</p>

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<p>[As</a> Boston reeled, younger bombing suspect partied - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-younger-brother/index.html?hpt=hp_t1]As”>http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-younger-brother/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)</p>

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<p>Hindsight is funny. If the brothers had left their car while the police waited, we’d be in an uproar. This may be one we have to let be.</p>

<p>The advantage to listening to the Deveau interview is you get it firsthand.</p>

<p>Last night, I thought Lawrence O’Donnell looked baffled by all the positives streaming in about Dzhokar. Nothing about him being isolated or disgruntled. I’m still not sure these reports are enough, but it is one curious point.</p>

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<p>New supposition- what if Tamerlan was rattled with concussions after his years of boxing? Effects his thinking. We have heard that he had back problems- what if there was some opiate usage for the chronic pain. </p>

<p>We know he had bought into the paranoid 9/11 Inside Job stuff. Perhaps he had some neurological issues going on.</p>

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<p>The Watertown Police may or may not have known that it was the bombers and/or MIT shooters in the car. They might have just had a BOLO for a stolen car and not known about the tracking - so they followed and asked for backup which seems like the reasonable thing to do when you spot a stolen car. I think that the officers didn’t expect to be confronted though - most people that steal cars probably don’t go and shoot police officers as MA courts are known to be pretty lenient.</p>

<p>I’m also a bit surprised that the Watertown Police seem to have been outgunned in terms of firepower and ammunition. The stereotype is that there’s a shotgun or assault rifle in the trunk of the police car but I guess that they don’t do that in Watertown. Watertown’s a pretty safe suburb and I think that violent crime (with weapons) is fairly rare there.</p>

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<p>argbargy: Could be. I am sure the authorities will be seeking everything they can get out of his wife. How could she have known NOTHING–whether it was about his behavior, his beliefs, or his medical issues? They have been together for some years. Apparently she is with her parents in New Hampshire. Can’t imagine how she is feeling or what it will be like for her daughter to learn who her father was.</p>

<p><a href=“Tamerlan Tsarnaev: EXCLUSIVE: Family of Boston Marathon bomber's widow Katherine Russell puts their Rhode Island home up for sale on the same day police shot their son-in-law dead | Daily Mail Online”>Tamerlan Tsarnaev: EXCLUSIVE: Family of Boston Marathon bomber's widow Katherine Russell puts their Rhode Island home up for sale on the same day police shot their son-in-law dead | Daily Mail Online;

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<p>BC, this is what was reported in the NY Times today. Mentions nothing about tracking the SUV by owners cell phone but that the owner of the car told police the hijackers were the marathon bombers. </p>

<p>“The driver called 911, telling the authorities that the two people who had held him up at gunpoint had said they were the marathon bombers. The authorities put out an all-points bulletin for the S.U.V., and officers in Watertown, 10 miles west of Boston, spotted it just minutes later.”</p>

<p><a href=“Manhunt’s Turning Point Came in the Decision to Release Suspects’ Images - The New York Times”>Manhunt’s Turning Point Came in the Decision to Release Suspects’ Images - The New York Times;