I just read about the UGA deferral. I still think your student pulls it. On the other hand, add 3 of these safer schools. I realize you may have already.
Penn State, Indiana, Pitt, Delaware, Ohio State, U Mass, Bentley, Drexel
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Show him IBIS at ASU. I donât believe Auburn would be safe given the lateness. Could happen.
I get Bama isnât diverse to your ethnicity. Theres many subs. But itâs very safe and inexpensive for you .
Good luck
For business, I think so - that itâs safe. For engineering and CS, no.
The quant major is in the B school.
But you might be right because they didnât apply EA. Thatâs the distinction between a Bama and Auburn (which has formal deadlines) - so maybe a rolling like Pitt (late but still probable) or a private with RD would be better.
OP would have to look school by school but recognize they are looking for a safety so yes, the overall rank wonât be as high. I note because of the comment on OSU not being strong.
Not in regular decision. Purdue fills the bulk of their class in early action and that deadline has long passed.
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FWIW, I agree with you that this is a very accomplished kid who will probably get into at least one of UF, UGA and UC Irvine. Given the additional information @GeorgiaDadMom provided, I would be somewhat surprised if this student doesnât get into UGA in the regular round where they do a more thorough holistic review of the application.
I stand by my opinion that Georgia Tech is a reach and that out of state folks donât fully appreciate just how competitive admission has become for even top students coming from some of the uber competitive schools in the Atlanta area in recent years. The only students for whom Tech is likely are named valedictorians and salutatorians from Ga highschools (guaranteed admission with a minimum SAT requirement) and students enrolled in GT distance math ( not guaranteed but reportedly a greater than 80 percent acceptance rate). OPâs son does not seem to fall in either of those categories. That doesnât mean itâs impossible. Our school counselor categorized it as a reach for my S22 and he did in fact get in. His close friend who had nearly identical stats and much better ECâ s than my kid was deferred and then wait listed. Georgia Tech EA decisions come out tomorrow and I really hope this kid gets good news
@GeorgiaDadMom Has your son considered applying ED2 to a less reachy school if Duke doesnât work out? Maybe Emory, Wake Forest or University of Richmond? You still need to find a safety or two but these schools may be more realistic than many of the schools on your sonâs list. Of course, donât apply ED unless your son loves the school and is comfortable entering a binding agreement.
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Thanks. Of course we do not âfullyâ understand the applicant - the transcript, the application, even what was sent for scores, but this student looks strong to me. Sometimes families have to be willing to play the long game to win. I am more of an ED and done type, but many are not - and they win, too. I do not consider Duke an ED and done strategy btw. I have seen applicants like this end up at Cornell (not if applied to Dyson), but you get my point. I love early data points (like UGA) because they tell you something, but from my experience do not predict admissions well at all. I think the UGA deferral tells us more about what might happen with GTech than any other school. I wonât say what that is because I do not want to turn negative when I remain positive about the applicant overall. They just need to have some solid safer UG business schools just in case.
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I think choice of major and EA vs RD make a significant difference for Purdue.
EA for Business with your sonâs stats and ECs I would have suggested likely as âsafetyâ (locked in), now for RD I would say target -likely but not an absolute lock. My D26 has her EA in at Purdue and in her top 5 list right now, her test scores are not quite as high as your son but her grades / APs are higher and strong ECs - overall sheâs a higher performing and more well rounded applicant than my S24 who was in at Daniels, but I still donât consider Purdue as a safety for her.
EA for Engineering or Comp Science I would say between Target and Reach - in years past the message board have had numerous high stats / high ec kids looking at Purdue as a second choice after GA-Tech who thought they were target but were declined. In RD, as @momofboiler1 knows, the bulk of CS and something like 80% of engineering will be out there with EA decisions Jan 15th.
There is no âthinkâ about it. Purdue is very upfront that EA is a very significant bump and that they fill the majority of the class in the EA round. And merit awards and honors college invites are only available to students who apply EA.
Purdue has sunk a lot of money into Daniels and the acceptance rate has been dropping. For an out of state applicant in RD, definitely definitely not a safety and depending on how much of the class is filled in EA, it may be a reach.
OP - Has your child already applied to OSU? My understanding is that the OOS acceptance rate to Fisher has been dropping too. Iâve been hearing that the OOS acceptance rate is now below 30% but I havenât seen data broken out by OSU.
In general, I have a hard time considering this level of out of state public flagship a safety. But Iâm very conservative on the safety school. To me a safety needs to be a sure thing admit. My Dâs safety was a regional school with an 85% acceptance rate and rolling admission so she knew in early October that she was accepted (and before anyone asks, yes, she liked the school, would have been happy going there, and they were strong for her intended major).
This thread, I think, potentially is a prime example of - ensure you have that safe (and affordable which doesnât seem an issue) in this case - up front - that potentially, the student potentially over reached.
It doesnât mean UGA, Florida, or Ohio State (especially if EA) wonât happen - but even a âwastedâ app or two is worth it to have a home. In reality, youâre only attending one so all are wasted in that sense.
The good news is - thereâs ample solid public and private schools that still can be applied to with no issues - that donât have EA or admit by stat, so EA or RD simply impact timing of decision but not necessarily the decision.
So OP can still safely add a school or two but it may not be one they initially considered - so at least there is always that safety valve.
Itâs why planning properly is so important - not to say OP didnât do that - but obviously a deferral where you thought was safe - at least gives a few more months of heartburn that could be rectified by an assured acceptance at an equally fine school.
Hoping they did OSU EA - sounds like they would have.
I get why a student like this might have thought UGA is a floor - but some of these more popular schools - it seems few are safe.
I do think the numerical grade scale makes it harder, really for anyone, to evaluate. I wish schools wouldnât use those.
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Thanks! I brought up Bama, ASU, and Auburn and he was not interested in any of these. It is a challenge to get the right fit, something he looks forward to going and spending 4 formative years. OSU, Pitt (has family there), and Penn State he can get behind as safeties.
Yes, hoping that UGA comes through RD. We havenât considered ED2 outside of Duke (Iâll admit, didnt even know you can do another ED, defeats the purpose, no?). I think Duke ED comes out in mid-Dec. He already had Alum interview from Duke before thanksgiving, which he did great on. Not sure what to make of that.
Heâs applying Emory and Wake Forest for RD. Are you saying he can do ED2 at any of these schools after Duke results? If yes, I think he may be ok doing ED2 at Emory, but not Wake Forest.
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Appreciate your positivity 
Hope one of the admission staffs has your positive vibes.
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Thatâs an interesting take. Iâd think that RD allows for full review of the applicant and if theyâre above average than your intake then they should have above avg chance. EA doesnât guaranty the student goes to that school and Iâd imagine the school would like to extend acceptance to as kids who exceed the avg stats regardless of EA. I donât know Purdue well so if theyâve deliberately set up this strategy then I can see your point.
I read this after my previous post. Looks like Purdue has a very focused approach on EA and clearly that boat has sailed for us.
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Yes, getting deferred from UGA EA, which we thought would be a lock was the wake up call. Although all hopes are not lost on UGA and it may still come through at the end but the uncertainty is tough to deal with, hence trying to backfill a couple of decent safeties that heâd be happy to spend and enjoy 4-yrs of his life.
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Pitt is rolling so get it in ASAP. Itâs a bit late and merit is unlikely at this point. Fit wise, Iâd think the campus is more important than close to family - if thatâs the case, thereâs N Georgia, W Georgia, KSU, GSU, etc.
At this point, itâs figuring out - whatâs important. Is NYU or UVA or UT close to relatives?
No one is going to love a safety school per se - thatâs why he has none and you noted (not sure why) that OSU academics werenât good enough when in reality itâs UGA or UF in the midwest. An OSU person might say the same of UGA
So no schools is going to make him happy thatâs a just in case I need a home school.
But he needs to apply to one or preferably two that are near assured. The issue now is - we know heâs in at Pitt, but is he in this late? Penn State - we know heâs in - but do they have the same EA/RD issue? So he needs to find schools that donât. ASU was simply because he wants IB and they have the IBIS program.
U Del might be a school worth a look or a FAU or UCF. Miami Ohio or U Cincy. But now at every school, you have to figure out - is the EA the only realistic chance because if it is, then that school isnât safe - but so many donât have that issue.
I donât expect him to love or like any name - and I expect him to have options from the original list. This is just the heaven forbid list.
So he needs to figure out what matters - Pitt is urban, PSU is enormous - more UGA. I guess you can use the Ga / GA Tech comparator from a campus POV. Purdue is very diverse - the ship may have sailed but Iâd argue if he wants a quant focus, itâs worth applying - but not using it as one of these one or two more you need. Schools like Kansas, other SEC schools are fine - but yes heâs going to see them as beneath - I get it. UMN has a fantastic b school and Minneapolis is diverse. Are these two far away. College of Charleston is 4 hours from Atlanta Or UT Chatt.
You get where Iâm going Itâs unlikely he will be going to any of these btw.
Good luck !!
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Emory has ED2 - finds out Feb 15th.
So the question becomes, would you send him to Emory over UGA - where I assume he has the Hope.
I suppose if youâd send him to Duke, which doesnât have a business major full pay, you would Emory which does have a business major.
But itâs something to think about because the UGA (or GT bill) will be a lot less $ wise.
But if Emory is a strong second choice and you support it, thatâs what ED2 is for.
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Not all schools offer ED2. But those that do offer it to lock up kids that were denied ED elsewhere. The ED2 deadlines are usually early January so many kids do pivot to an ED2 school if denied ED at their first choice.
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Or you can ED2 without doing ED anywhere.
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