Chance me ED 2 Boston College, US[+Canada] citizen from small Canadian town weak ECs[4.0 UW, Test optional]

So here’s what I want to know:

  1. What happened with Loyola? You had an offer you were accepting. Did they change it? DId you mis read it? Can you follow up with them again (if they changed it)?

  2. You could take a gap year and start again or go to community college.

  3. My concern is with a gap year that you build a proper list. You had a proper list of schools you said met your budget (UMN, ASU, U of Arizona) but then you kept bringing in schools that had higher pedigree, higher cost, and didn’t even have your major. So if you build a gap year to start again, you have to build a proper list - and that first starts with - how much can I afford?

Before you had a budget and said you could pay for anything thanks to your grandparents. Then it was each is contributing $10K - and I’m not sure where you are now.

But do you have a firm, this is what I can afford budget - factoring in all the contributions from relatives? Whether it’s $20K or $60K, you can build a list - but that has to be an honest #.

With that you can build a list. And you may not love all the choices that your budget affords.

Now the community college route is possible - but my worry is - correct me if I’m wrong but you are a resident of no state? So you can’t get in state tuition anywhere based on residency?

So many schools have strong merit for first years, but not transfers (or not as much) - so if you go this route, you may end up at a school at a higher cost than you can afford? Or you may have to settle for a lower cost name that you don’t love. Of course, going to a community college for a year or two lowers that a big since you’d only have two or three years or a higher expense.

One other thing - you said you can go to Penn State Altoona - what about living off campus?

There’s some thoughts - and hope some provide value to you.

Thanks

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Contact Loyola immediately to know what happened…
It’s a great college and the most similar to HC.

Or attend CC in Minnesota to transfer to UMN (top program for ChemE).

What’s your budget? Bc you need about 40k ×3 (it can be difficult to get all the courses you need in the.sequence needed)as an OOS student at SMC then 80k×2 for UCLA if all goes well.

Email Penn State Altoona and ask if they still have housing at Behrend , Harrisburg or Abington?

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My concern is your budget.

Let’s say you go to Santa Monica CC. You like that because you think of UCLA next and based on previous discussions, you love the highly ranked name.

But UCLA is approaching $80k out of state. So if you can’t afford the schools you got into, how will you afford UC anything - even for two years after two years of expensive community college?

As you don’t have a home state, you are not a resident.

Now if you became a resident, doing what is required to become one, then you may have a strategy.

But that is going to require a gap year, if not longer by the time you get there, and it doesn’t seem realistic to move and get a job very quickly. And how do you afford to live during that gap year? You need to be financially independent.

Please please please put budget ahead of name. You will be much much much better off in accomplishing your goals.

And please don’t pick a school without ChemE like Holy Cross or Loyola because if you cam’t afford four years, how will you five ? And that’s with those schools mean in regards to engineering.

You can already go to great schools (yes in the south where you don’t seem to want to be) - all four years for the price of one at a UC.

You know there are still colleges taking apps for the Fall. Tennessee Tech is a GREAT engineering school - $31k all in. If you’re looking at a PSU branch, this would be so much better. And there’s likely more out there. You are too late fir aid but the price is right.

You can meet your goals but you really need to get realistic about how to make it happen.

Read this for a start:

In order to meet the University of California residency requirements, undergraduate students between the ages of 18 and 23 must either be:

  • Financially dependent on California-resident parents

OR

If you are dependent on California-resident parents, both you and your parents must be in an eligible immigration status and satisfy the “Physical Presence” and “Intent to Remain in California” requirements.

If you are not dependent on California-resident parents, you must be in an eligible immigration status and satisfy the “Physical Presence,” “Intent to Remain in California,” and “Financial Independence” requirements.

Eligible Immigration Statuses

  • U.S. citizens
  • Permanent residents of the U.S. who have been in that status on a continuous basis for at least 366 days immediately prior to the residence determination date (the first day of instruction)
  • Qualifying nonimmigrant visa holders who have been in that status on a continuous basis for at least 366 days immediately prior to the residence determination date (the first day of instruction)

Physical Presence

  • You and your parents must be physically present in California on a continuous basis for at least 366 days immediately prior to the residence determination date (the first day of instruction).
  • Residence may not be established in absentia and the prior residence must have been relinquished.
  • You and your parents must be able to demonstrate by clear and convincing evidence that you have been continuously physically present in California.
  • During the 366-day period, you and your parents can be absent from California for a total of six weeks. If you and your parents exceed six weeks of absence, a resident classification will not be granted.

Intent to Remain in California*

You and your parents must establish legal ties to California by acquiring all applicable governmental evidence of intent by the relevant deadlines, and relinquishing ties to your previous place of residence:

  • Obtain a California Driver’s License or State Identification card by the deadline. Please refer to the UC Residency Policy for each semester’s specific grace period deadlines.
  • Register a vehicle in California (if vehicle is owned and used in California) by the deadline. Please refer to the UC Residency Policy for each semester’s specific grace period deadlines.
  • Register to vote in California (if registered to vote in previous state of residence) by the deadline. Please refer to the UC Residency Policy for each semester’s specific grace period deadlines.
  • File California state income tax returns as a resident or part-year resident on all taxable income earned in or out of the state after arriving in California
  • File out-of-state income tax returns as a nonresident or part-year resident on income earned prior to arriving in California

*Intent is not limited to terms listed here.

Financial Independence

You must demonstrate financial independence (total self-sufficiency) for one full year immediately preceding the residence determination date of the term for which a resident classification is sought. This means you must have supported yourself with your own resources (employment, commercial/institutional loans in your name only, financial aid, and savings from earnings, all of which require official documentation) for one full year prior to the residence determination date.

You should be able to cover your basic expenses, which include tuition, rent, food, and vehicle (if applicable).

You also must not be claimed as an income tax dependent by any individual for the tax year immediately preceding the term for which a resident classification is sought.

The financial independence requirement will not be a factor in the residence determination if you meet at least one of the following criteria:

  • You are married or a registered domestic partner
  • You are serving in the U.S. Armed Forces
  • You are a veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces
  • You have a legal dependent, other than a spouse or registered domestic partner
  • You are or were a ward of the court, foster youth, or both parents are deceased
  • You were declared by a court to be an emancipated minor
  • You have been determined to be an unaccompanied youth who was homeless pursuant to federal financial aid rules
  • You reached the age of majority (18) in California while your parents were California residents for tuition purposes and your California resident parents left the state to establish a residence elsewhere, and you continued to reside in California after your parents’ departures
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I’m concerned that if I take a gap year I won’t be competitive enough at better schools. I feel like a full year of hard college courses with a good GPA and good school involvement would significantly help me get to schools where I wanna be. The only concern with that is some schools don’t offer merit based scholarships for transfer students. I talked to Penn state. Behrend has housing and at Abington I would be the first on the waitlist, maybe a spot this week they said. I really have a dream to go to ND, which has Chem E, but I don’t know how I can get there. I hope maybe with a strong first year with a current 1480 SAT (would retake) + good involvment at my college might give me a chance.

Please don’t make this mistake again. This is why you are in the situation you are in.

You have a budget -whatever it now is. You need to live within the budget and that’s why you need to start again.

There are no better schools in ChemE. There are more expensive and more inexpensive schools. Most every is going to lead to similar jobs.

You acknowledged you’re in a pickle. If you are lucky enough to get a redo, why would you take the exact same path?

And if you got into UND, then how would you pay? You couldn’t pay for Holy Cross and others - and in the end, Loyola who you said came dirt cheap. So getting in doesn’t get you to the school.

Have you ever heard the phrase - the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result.

Think about that - that’s what you’re doing.

UND isn’t known for engineering btw - but you know who their grads will work side by side with - UMN, Alabama, New Mexico, Purdue, U of Kentucky, Akron, Virginia Commonwealth, Tuskegee, and more.

Please review your entire last year process and learn from it, don’t repeat it.

I wish you well - but I’m scared for you after reading today’s post. You really need to understand how to run a college search. Your stats are what’s going to allow you to get an education. Sure, they got you into great schools - but you couldn’t pay. Take advantage of those offering you the opportunity to study because they truly want you - in part because of your stats. These other schools did want you - but only if you can pay. UND will be no different if they accept you.

Good luck.

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Retaking the SAT doesn’t count once you graduate HS.

Behrend or Abington, if your ND plans don’t work out, guarantee you end up at Penn State - a force to be reckoned with in Va, DC, MD, NYS, PA. That guarantee is the main advantage v. SMC (+no problem registering for courses you need).
(Email them to ask if you could be considered for Schreyer at either campus because that would definitely gild your transcript so to speak. Also, the Schreyer freshman seminar 137-138H replacing English 30&CAS 100 typically includes a trip and is more interesting. Specify it’s not for the scholarship but for the academic challenge of the Schreyer courses.)

However… Could you afford it?
I mean, what happened with Loyola?
PSU is likely to cost 180k total, SMC+UC would likely be 250k. Can your parents afford that?

Think of what’s doable BEFORE you think about what’s ideal.

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Well that’s not true. Universities that I’ve been looking at on their websites say you can take up to the march SAT for transferring. Well ND has really good fin aid (median University need based, not merit, scholarship of 70k per year for family income 100k-140k), so if I was lucky enough to get in I wouldn’t be too concerned. I mean if this doesn’t work out then that’s fine cause i’ll apply to safety transfers, or ig Penn state UP. I think, if I do well year one, I can be competitve at some good state schools like UNC (if no eng), UW, UIUC, Umich. But yeah, cost could be the biggest issue here so public schools might not be the besr route. I’m gonna be looking into what schools have good fin aid that are reasonable to get into. I heard Wash U has some of the best fin aid in the country as they have reasonable ~17.5% transfer rate. When I was talking about SMC I didn’t 100% mean going to a UC. I meant like that’s what my cousin did. I could still go to SMC and transfer to like ND or wherever else.

You are hearing a lot - but in your case it did not happen - and income alone does not determine financial aid. Assets do as well.

You got into HC - they meet need. You couldn’t afford it.

Did your family the formulas for WUSTL and UND to see what you’d get vs. I hear? What makes you think they’ll be different?

You keep saying “good” schools - there are no “not good” schools - but there are schools that don’t have your major that make them not good for you. And others you cannot afford that make them “not good” for you. There are 188 ABET CHEME schools - all are equally good - if they are affordable.

I’m not sure why you are missing reality here.

But if you continue down this path, you willl be in this same situation in a year from now.

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March of Senior year. Not March freshman year in college.

As of now, after running the NPC,can you afford Penn State Behrend or Abington (tuition, fees, room,board)? It should be around 35k a year oos.

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If you are relying on need-based financial aid, ALWAYS ALWAYS use the school’s Net Price Calculator for an estimate for your personal financial situation. Using averages is unwise.

Notre Dame: Net Price Calculator
WashU: Net Price Calculator

Transfer financial aid might be different from first-year freshman aid. Be sure to explore both with Net Price Calculators.

Keep in mind that a 17.5% acceptance rate is still a reach.

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It is August 1.

Besides affordability, success in college require executive functioning skills, time management.

It is not sufficient to be smart.

I wish you good luck in sorting out the contradictions your parents and grandparents seem to have told you about their ability to pay.

I wish you good luck in accepting a path that may be at an affordable, unpublicized college.

Learning to deal with obstacles and disappointment are skills that will serve you your whole life long.

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Alright, quick update guys. I’m enrolling at Penn State Abington for year one. It is very affordable at 22k a year (tuition + housing and food) so that’s the current plan. Just waiting for housing since I’m first on the waitlist for it.

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Nice pivot. Hope everything works out well as you move forward.

22k not 35k. I got awards.

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I’m happy to hear you have a viable option. Best of luck!

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Excellent! Congratulations on a decision based on affordability and potential outcome - it’s kind of risk free, since worst case scenario you graduate from Penn State which is a force in Engineering throughout the Mid Atlantic /Eastern seaboard.
Were you admitted to Schreyer?
In any case congratulations for wrangling scholarships from a university infamous for being terribly stingy with them :slight_smile:

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No, not admitted to honors. I think there was a deadline way earlier for it. Not too much of a concern though. Is Penn state UP engineering considered on par with other Big 10 schools like UIUC, UW madison, UMN, U Mich?

No - but it’s very good and so what if it’s not?

A degree from there and many other schools you passed over will get you to the exact same place.

And you can afford this one for year one/two and in your case this is most important thing. But what is your plan if you don’t get university housing ?

I think it’s unlikely since all I need is one single person to change their mind on housing. If that happens i’ll have to look for off campus housing, which shouldn’t be a huge issue.

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Congratulations for navigating a tough and complicated process, being resilient and finding a path forward. Good luck in college!!

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