<p>The Liberal Agenda is so vast, but here are a few examples-to me this is not a democrat or republican issue- this is the agenda of the wealthy liberal/conservative elite and academia.press etc. They have all worked in unison it appears to sell our country down the river…I would not mind if liberals were consistent, but claiming that they are for a democratic society and rights of the individual, then going ahead and banning the diplay of flags on campus or insisting that the pledge of allegiance be removed from the school agenda is ourtight hypocritical. So I present below just a few of the items on the to do list of liberals-</p>
<p>Subvert education with Humanism, PC and rewritten history.
Use Judges to bypass the Constitution.
Dumb-down the public so they will not understand their rights.
Distort the media so that their agenda is not addressed.
Support and advance whacko junk-science and social values.
Encourage the USA to become subservant to the Untied Nations.
Ignore the illegal immigrant issue- along with Bush and his band of cohorts also…
Attempt supression of the Judeo-Christian American social ethics.
Promote Islamic and Muslim indoctrination of children.
Portend to be for “the masses” while actually advancing their elite agenda. </p>
<p>Approval of homosexual marriage </p>
<p>Legalizing euthanasia </p>
<p>Banning prayer in school </p>
<p>Banning the public display of the Ten Commandments
Banning the Pledge of Allegiance
Basing our laws on the laws of other nations and not only on the U.S. Constitution*
Maintaining Abortion on Demand
Forcing the Boy Scouts and similar organizations (including churches) to place homosexuals in positions of leadership
Complete protection for all kinds of pornography
Creating hate crimes laws to punish those who believe homosexuality is wrong
Making secularism the only legitimate religion .</p>
<p>I could go on- However do NOT THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT I SUPPORT ANYTHING BUSH HAS DONE- Bush has had an agenda and it certainly is not the agenda of a typical conservative. The country has sunken into the abyss IMHO…I prefer to blame it all on TV and the PC police .it is so much easier that way- HA!</p>
<p>Looks to me there’ve been five different groups on this thread so far:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Those who think anyone and any group is free to say anything, regardless of their content, anywhere. It doesn’t matter if they are harsh words or hate speech against Asians, Arabs, Christians, Jews, or Hispanics, or gays.</p></li>
<li><p>Those who think a ban is appropriate for hate speech in the public against people of different religion, race…etc. But this ban doesn’t apply to ones directed against homosexuals because they think homosexuality is a lifestyle by choice or simply not equivalent to race or religion or whatever that’s currently protected without much controversy.</p></li>
<li><p>Same as two except they think homosexuality is inherently similar to race and sex and they think gays/lesbians should receive same kind of protection as any religious or ethnic group. –<em>currently adopted by GA Tech</em></p></li>
<li><p>Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin regardless if it’s inborn. They have the right to speak against it just like they do against greed or extra-marital affairs. </p></li>
<li><p>Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin and claim it’s a lifestyle by choice. They have the right to speak against it just like they do against greed or extra-marital affairs.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>“I guess I am wondering about churches which advocate that members harrass, badger or intimidate co-workers, family members or neighbors about their “lifestyle”.”</p>
<p>Can you be more specific about these churches that you’re referring to? The only “Christian” group that I’m aware of that would do such a thing is the Fred Phelps group that gets so much attention.</p>
<p>Allmusic,</p>
<p>Since we don’t all share the same views on morality, should we just accommodate those who don’t have any morals and try to create a society where there is no such thing as right and wrong?</p>
<p>I’ve only been able to identify type 3 according to your descriptions, and I assume that is where you would put yourself. The other posts that I’ve read here don’t fit into any of your categories.</p>
<p>Certainly good sex can result in something profound, I only think it pathetic that two men, or two women, rely on such a patently absurd activity to get there…</p>
<p>PA&Fundingfathers: I’m sorry, but your responses to my post are both grossly hypocritical. If Christians were being attacked, killed, and beaten in America I would be just as quick to defend Christians as I am to defend gays. </p>
<p>But they’re not. Let me repeat: Today, a young gay man will be beaten up by “gay bashers.” Tomorrow, four more will be; the next day, two more. Over the weekend a teenaged girl was subjected toi unwanted forced sexual acts because she was thought to be gay. Where? Anytown, USA. These events happen every day in America. You turn a blind eye. </p>
<p>Fundingfather equates a politicians spoken disapproval of a Christian youth group which came to San Francisco for the expressed purpose of expressing their opposition to gays with the viciousness unleashed on gays every day.</p>
<p>How blind can you be? </p>
<p>PAFather states:
Fine: Evangelical Christians are bigots, and shoulf be judged according to the same standards as the KKK. Of course they don’t want their attitude towards gays to be equated with racism because it would expose it for what it is: bigotry. Plain and simple. And it has the same result as any other form of bigotry - encouraging the worst elements of society to take out their inadequacy and frustration on the target of the bigoted hatred. Why would you expect anything different to happen in this case? Why do you try to minimize the fact that it does happen every day in America? Because you don’t want to face the fact that anti-gay bigotry is just as evil and vile as any other form of bigotry.</p>
<p>If this abuse of homosexuals is so common, why is the Matthew Shepard case the one we always hear about, even though it happened in 1998 and there are open questions as to whether he was even targeted due to his homosexuality?</p>
<p>Allmusic- I agree that the Bush admin is guilty of many of the agenda items you listed- However, in no way do I believe that any democrat will solve these issues or “take back America”- The democrats are just as corrupt as the republicans-if anyone thinks that the democrats will solve all our problems they are delusional- Somehow we need a third party…unfortunately it may never happen.</p>
<p>Sam Lee- I am very close to your description in #1- The moment we quiet free speech so as not to offend a certain group is the day we slide down the slippery slope . We will have a government that in no way reflects the principles that America was founded on- having said that I detest hate speech.</p>
<p>Kluge- you are correct that Gay Bashing exists and it is terrible- But to think that the gay world is innocent and does not posess any societal negatives is clearly being dishonest- It is just that the press does not print the high level of drug abuse,child abuse and domestic partnership disturbances that exist in the gay world. Alcoholism,and irresponsible sexual behavior all exist in the gay community also. Just like it existed with priests in the catholic church. society pays a price for that behavior as well as the lousy behavior of a gay basher. </p>
<p>I detest gay bashers and for the most part they destroy lives outside of their own community- gays that misbehave destroy lives generally within their own community. That is the big difference between them.</p>
<p>Songman, I have no illusions that the Democrats will save the day. I concur that they are also corrupt. </p>
<p>However, I also believe that had Gore been rightfully elected in 2000, we would never have gone to war, and the country would be in a very different position today. But, I am not blind about Democratic cronyism. I just think it is a shade better than what we have now…which perhaps isn’t saying a whole heap.</p>
<p>Also, can you back up your claim of drug abuse, alcoholism, child abuse, etc. in the gay community? I know personally several lesbian couples raising children, who have been together longer than many heterosexuals. Among the committed gay couples I know, I see none of the problems you list, so please provide some evidence.</p>
<p>Here’s the FBI website for hate crimes as of 2004. Of course, this is only the reported crimes, which in the case of gays is probably the tip of the iceberg, but the numbers are sobering enough as it is.</p>
<p>Songman, do you know anything about Humanism? Have you done any reading?</p>
<p>And allmusic did what I was going to do, thanks@!!!</p>
<p>I would love Songman to meet some gay people, that would be nice…maybe meet my Mom, the Buddhist, my wonderful nieces, the Secular Hummanist, or my best friend, the Jewish lady, or my H, the Catholic, or my dog walker, the lesbian, or my plumber, gay, or the lady at city hall who used to be a guy…yeah, all good caring people</p>
<p>Do you think those self-destructive behaviors got anything to do with mental health of gays/lesbians that are linked to discrimination and how they see themselves? Like I said before, it’s hard to live a full and happy life when one has trouble to accept/love him/herself. I think I saw some study showed that 1/3 of gays/lesbians had thought about commiting suicide. Even among the ones that’d found the courage to come out and embrace themselves, the emotional scar remains and that can still affect them sometime, including their relationships. I don’t think it’s fair to compare them to straight counterparts when the environment they live in aren’t necessarily constructive to their mental health and development to begin with.</p>
<p>I second kluge. Keep in mind most of those that reported are pretty “out” and that’s really a minority of the gays/lesbians; there are majority of the silent ones that keep very low profile or just hide in the shadow.</p>