I was at our Costco last night. No obvious signs of any hoarding. The person checking membership cards at the entrance was handing a disinfectant wipe to each person.
Clorox wipes were on special, and the supply looked plentiful. Costco’s own brand of wipe was a bit more depleted.
Yes, a hurricane is different from an epidemic, but not completely. My point was that our town pulled together and figured it out (and we had no electricity for 14 days). If our school closes due to Covid-19, we would still help our neighbors however we could. I would watch kids for friends in health care or other crucial jobs since no one in my household is high risk. Safer than having the grandparents babysitting. 12 kids at my house is safer than 1200 at school.
My anecdotal evidence is that the only thing that there is a run on is a Purell. It is out of stock at 4 stores I went to today. Clorox wipes there are plenty of. DH is suddenly more pleased that I have always bought Purell in bulk. We keep containers in our car and use it after a visit to a store. We wash hands with soap as soon as we are home and again after putting away or touching groceries.
How do people stay in hospitals/ quarantines etc for a month or more? What jobs in the U.S. are going to pay people for being away from a job that long??? A number of family members work in low paying jobs with no benefits. If they don’t work, they don’t get paid.
How will that work out???
If they feel okay - they would go to work for sure.
The woman WAS tested by the local Santa Clara County health department (presumably under the protocols approved by CDC.)
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/28/santa-clara-county-announces-new-coronavirus-case/
I’ve got flight plans for interstate travel in 2 weeks. No intention of changing planes.
As per my post #2395 above – I think it’s far too late for quarantines and the disease is already out there. Just that for every one person identified there are probably hundreds who are either asymptomatic or have symptoms so mild that they are not showing up anywhere to be tested.
So I think the priority needs to be focusing on protecting people in high-risk categories. (Elderly and/or immunocompromised). Developing protocols for early id & treatment.
If you want to get down into the weeds, here’s a start:
“When Is Quarantine a Useful Control Strategy for Emerging Infectious Diseases?” - American Journal of Epidemiology, 2004 –
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/163/5/479/61137
How do you think THEY will work out? Personal bankruptcy.
Actually the design of such a test could be done in a couple of weeks (picking multiple primer pairs, different probes, and testing dilutions of synthesized standards spiked in human blood - within the first week to assess sensitivity - and testing probable positive patient samples soon thereafter - getting these from outside the country if necessary where they might have corroborating sero data too). CDC is good at some things, but this isn’t their strength. For example, some of the highest sensitivity HIV viral load assays have been developed elsewhere (NIH, university labs like ones at UCSF, etc), and there’s tremendous expertise in these groups (and HCV groups and other virology groups) to do the same for SARS-CoV-2. Fauci not only indicated that NIH is ready to help, but no doubt multiple groups in the NIH and extramural community started yesterday and today after hearing what sort of current throughput CDC has. I was stunned.
I do understand CDC’s mission in wanting to certify/ensure assays are done in a manner where results can be compared in a clinical setting, but if they fail in ramping up and there are no alternatives in the next couple of weeks, it would be negligent if there weren’t parallel efforts (irrespective of the new Qiagen kit which might not be as sensitive as RT-PCR approaches).
Third community contagion case, in Oregon: (Washington County)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/02/28/coronavirus-live-updates/
More info on the Oregon case here:
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/02/coronavirus-appears-in-oregon.html
Once community spread takes hold, I think you will see a lot of panic.
As I and many others have said, this is what happens when a country has no mandatory paid sick leave.
Much of what happens over the next few months in the US is entirely of our own making. And like always, the most vulnerable will suffer
Surprise! When you start testing, you start finding. New case in Oregon.
Good news for us here in MI (though we have no cases):
Working on finding out more info about this test.
ETA:
The tests are from the CDC and apparently we have about 150. But they’re being tested here which is what speeds up the processing time:
https://www.govtech.com/em/safety/Michigan-Activates-EOC-to-Prepare-for-Worst-on-Coronavirus-.html
In France, deductibles and “one-day copay” have been cancelled for all people presenting covid-19 symptoms as well as families returning from China, South Korea, or Italy, including caretakers for students returning from school trips*; they must mandatorily receive their regular pay and the employer must work with the employees on telecommuting or for " public-facing" jobs on switching hours.
It’s seen as a national emergency. No one wants to force an infected employee to work and contaminate everyone at work, not to mention being designated as the irresponsible source for a client’s death.
Any developed State’s budget has funds for such emergencies.
(*1/3 the county was on holiday, with kids on field tips or families skiing; the other 2/3 are still on break. 2,000 k-12 students are in quarantine at home with their parents out of precaution - they’re asymptomatic but they may be carriers.)
First, at the park I often go to, a kid was attacked by a lion. Now, in a local hospital that I have in the past been treated at, someone has been diagnosed with COVID-19; presumably before she was hospitalized she was out and about at places I go to. It’s a dangerous world out there.
I find this competence heartening:(about the 2nd California case)
Also this:
Based on symptoms listed for coronavirus, there are probably millions of people in the US right now with symptoms compatible with the virus.
CVS and Walgreens announce possible hand sanitizer shortages.
Welp, that actually is one thing I have to get for baby. Time to stock up on that.
(Costco doesn’t sell bulk hand sanitizer??? Weird.)
Anyone here still insists on wearing street shoes inside the house? 