Coronavirus May 2020 - Observations, information, discussion

Fine. Guess it was useless then and a good thing it was tossed into the bin.

Why didn’t the new administration come up with their own playbook if this one was deemed so inadequate they threw it away?

I’ve also been wondering this, and so many college announcements have said they are confident that they will have plenty of PPE by August.

I did notice that Walmart and Amazon seemingly have surgical masks again (not N95s), so I assume that’s a good sign?

That’s been a problem with the data all along…no consistency between states. Not just on deaths. I do wish there was a national standard, with more detail not less.

In my PA county 87% of Covid 19 related deaths have been in nursing homes/ assisted living facilities. That is a staggering number.

Also, I have been following the story of Nick Cordero who is a broadway actor battling for his life with this virus. He is 41 with no pre existing conditions. Very scary and sad. Yes, the chances of this happening are small, yet it does happen to someone.

I don’t love public restrooms anyway, but during this they are more unnerving. I was in restrooms in two different airports this past week. Both had fully automated faucets, soaps and toilets. I beat it out of the stall as fast as I could. One had excellent paper towel dispensers that were completely touchless, the other had the hard air dryers but your hands were between the air dispensers and the air didn’t blow around the room. Only think I touched was the stall door lock.

SIGH…
Trust me, I am not one that is staying at home all the time, (yes I wear my mask all the time when out in an indoor place, and getting my hair done today finally), but my 80 YO mother went out and got her hair and nails done, and is now at a restaurant eating outside. She is in S. Florida. Yes, she wears a mask . She apparently is happy to leave after 2 months of SIP, but would have hoped she took baby steps and not do all this in 2 days. I have no say to stop her …

I’ve been reading more about Vitamin D deficiency in COVID patients. The body’s ability to make Vitamin D decreases with age. Countries in which a lot of people are Vitamin D deficient have higher rates of death. It could be a major reason why some areas and states and groups of people have higher rates of COVID than others. People who are Vitamin D deficient have higher rates of other infectious diseases. It ties a lot together. So I’m getting my sunlight and eating foods rich in Vitamin D.

https://neurosciencenews.com/vitamin-d-coronavirus-mortality-16349/

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-vitamin-d-linked-virus-death.html

I am impartial and not defending anyone. My only point was that this document of fluff is just a political football.

I can’t imagine there being much thought given to such a document by an incoming administration, or that there was a dramatic “throwing in the trash bin.”

FYI

I agree this was overly dramatized in the media.

CDC’s influenza pandemic playbook has been around for a decade or two, and is much more detailed than the one that was supposedly thrown out.

Whether or not anyone is following the relevant pieces of the CDC influenza pandemic playbook is a whole other topic of discussion.

I am not here to say the playbook we have is sufficient or not. I am saying that we should have one and it shouldn’t be political. I would expect my government, one that I am paying a lot of tax money to, to have one if/when we get hit with a pandemic, just like other countries.

It looks to me like much of the CDC’s influenza pandemic playbook is very relevant to what we are facing now. That playbook (on CDC’s site) is from 2006.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-17/what-do-americans-think-of-made-in-china-polling-latest?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_campaign=s

40% in a poll say they won’t buy products made in China. Most are willing to pay more for something not made in China. (I hope Apple sees this).

Months ago, I said this on the first forum. I’ve always tried to buy Made in America but now more than ever and not made in China. And at one time, I had wanted to see the Great Wall and the Forbidden City, but I am so turned off by what China did to make this a world wide economic and health catastrophe that China is the last place in the world I’d want to travel. Never China.

Maybe not by this administration but I imagine other administrations would have found it quite useful.

Where is this administrations playbook on dealing with a pandemic?

My H has been on weekly calls for state and local officials with the White House from, iirc, late March. They’ve received zero guidance this whole time, up to including yesterday when Melanie (this weeks guest appearance) told everyone they need to go out and shop to get the economy going again and that will solve all our problems.

KellyAnne told then two weeks ago that everything is great and beautiful, except in “Indian. Country”.

SMH

‘How Could the CDC Make That Mistake?’

“The government’s disease-fighting agency is conflating viral and antibody tests, compromising a few crucial metrics that governors depend on to reopen their economies. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Texas, and other states are doing the same.”

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is conflating the results of two different types of coronavirus tests, distorting several important metrics and providing the country with an inaccurate picture of the state of the pandemic. We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus. The upshot is that the government’s disease-fighting agency is overstating the country’s ability to test people who are sick with COVID-19. The agency confirmed to The Atlantic on Wednesday that it is mixing the results of viral and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and are used for different reasons.”

“This is not merely a technical error. States have set quantitative guidelines for reopening their economies based on these flawed data points.”

“The intermingling of viral and antibody tests suggests that some of those gains might be illusory. If even a third of the country’s gain in testing has come by expanding antibody tests, not viral tests, then its ability to detect an outbreak is much smaller than it seems. There is no way to ascertain how much of the recent increase in testing is from antibody tests until the most populous states in the country—among them Texas, Georgia, and Pennsylvania—show their residents everything in the data.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/cdc-and-states-are-misreporting-covid-19-test-data-pennsylvania-georgia-texas/611935/

The current situation doesn’t have anything to do with bacteria, though. I prefer paper towels, but that wasn’t an option.

@emilybee I was just going to post that link from the Atlantic. Ack! An error like that will cause the skeptics to gloat. I couldn’t believe it when I heard the story on the radio this morning - I thought there had to be a mistake in the reporting. I guess not. ???:

Yes, I do know Coronavirus is not bacteria, simply pointing out the hand dryer is not as sanitizing. If it could blow bacteria, why not virus?

The prose was a little purple in the Atlantic article, as they used phrases like “impossible to know” and “no way to ascertain” when they meant “until we correct the data entries, at which time it will be knowable and ascertainable.”

Clearly the reporting is faulty, the fault has been detected, the data can be corrected. Shouldn’t have happened, but as mentioned above things are happening fast and we do better as we learn more.

My state started commingling the antibody test data in with the serology test data about 10 days ago. They’ve since separated it out again, sort of. They now report the total number of positive tests, the number of tests run of each type, and the total percent positive of each type, out of all tests run, but not just the tests run that day. Our percent positive serology tests is staying under 10 percent, even if using the total positive tests divided by the serology tests administered, so that’s good, but it made me very suspicious when they started commingling those numbers. Pretty sure we didn’t quite meet the criteria of falling percent positive over 14 days unless they mixed the numbers.