It’s the same concept if someone enters the business without a shirt or no shoes. You politely ask them to leave or put the shirt, shoes or mask on before they enter.
You don’t let the offenders dictate your policy and the policy of the county/state. They don’t comply, they are asked to leave. They don’t leave you can the police for trespassing. Simple as that.
I’m sorry @rosered55 Hoping for the best possible outcome for your mother and the others in her nursing home.
@rosered55 your mom or your aunt? My thoughts are with whomever…
Retail lawyer here- Companies are instructing their employees to tell the unmasked customer that there is a mask required policy and offer the customer a mask or other options (delivery, curbside pickup). If the customer says there is a medical reason he/she can’t wear a mask, entry is generally permitted with no more questions asked. If the customer is belligerent or just says they are going in anyway, most retailers are not confronting the customer further due to the danger. Sometimes the police are called if the customer becomes disruptive. This is the policy at just about every retail company. Whether the policy is followed at each store is another matter. As I’ve said before, Michigan and Maine are the most problematic states with respect to pushback on the mask policies. Several retailers have noted this.
I was following pretty early in January and I agree that the WHO was pretty consistent in raising concerns of taking precautions and getting in front of the spread of the virus.
As far as borders, the position expressed at the time was that if you close down borders completely, people will find a way to go to where they want to get to anyway and that will make contact tracing and controlling the spread futile if people are sneaking across. The WHO has had experience with such things with trying to control Ebola.
I found an article in today’s San Diego Union Leader, but it didn’t say restaurateurs wouldn’t reopen because of people not wearing masks. Rather, this particular article said they are worried about being able to make it financially in the new world of six foot separation between tables, required mask wearing and some former patrons now being unwilling to go to restaurants.
For some restaurants, the old business model will no longer be profitable. They can’t stay in business without changing.
One of my kids had a 10 day trip planned to the west coast to the initial hot spots…Seattle, for example.
There was enough “info” that in late January, I suggested she cancel her trip. No one believed this was an issue on the east coast at that time, and as noted, on the federal level this was significantly downplayed.
On March 11, the Seattle schools closed. I sent a second email very clearly asking again that this kid not take this trip. The kid was also flying into Oakland, and at that point, that area was pretty much shut down except essentials (picking up a friend who shouldn’t be there anyway was hardly essential). Still, the trip wasn’t cancelled.
By the middle of March, the trip was totally cancelled. The friends she was meeting told her not to come. But even at that point, the east coast was still not in the major upswing of this…although it sure escalated very quickly at that point.
I believe we will have a resurgence. I read an article today that every pandemic every one…has had a second round that was more severe than the first.
However, I am going to be cautiously optimistic that we have learned from the first round. Our ability to communicate rapidly is way better than in any previous pandemic. Let’s hope the communication is honest and forthcoming, and that as a country we act very quickly.
I think there should be an exception for people who truly can’t wear a mask or at least some type of accommodations for them, but otherwise, I’m all for the no mask, not entry idea.
That’s fine except that a retail greeter in Michigan was shot and killed trying to enforce the mask policy.
H and I drove up to the local mountains near San Diego today for a hike on one of the county trails. We packed food and ate lunch in the car before heading on the 6 mile hike. People were great along the trail and put masks up when they were less than 6 feet away. When we drove through the little mountain town to get to the trailhead it was very crowded so we did not stop. H and I have felt comfortable taking long walks and hikes because we avoid areas that tend to get too crowded. I feel much safer hiking and walking than going to the grocery store.
Sorry about the confusion. The person is my aunt. What I posted here was an exact copy of the message that a cousin (one of her three children) shared on Facebook. My aunt lives in Iowa. I share few political, social, or religious beliefs with these cousins, but we are on common ground in our great concern about COVID-19 and this family member.
@rosered55 hoping for a good outcome for your aunt.
I predict there will be pressure on the restaurants to break the rules from VIP customers & some restaurants will bend.
Example: Hey, come on, while we are waiting for a table to open up on the patio, why can’t we sit at the bar and have a drink? We won’t tell. What’s the big deal? There’s no one in here!
^ Followed by: You know how much money we spend in here every week!
A couple weeks ago, I drove to the restaurant to pick up the invoices for the week. Imagine my surprise when I saw 2 laid off employees at the bar drinking (they just stopped by to say hi), 2 regular customers at the bar drinking (VIPs), AND the two owners with 2 adult kids sitting at a table having dinner!
In my dream world, the owners enforce mask-wearing for employee on employee interactions, not just employee on customer.
I…don’t think that’s gonna happen.
I’m so sorry, @rosered55. Family is family, even if you have opposite political beliefs. I hope for the best for your aunt.
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That's my local beach. We were there a few days ago at 7 am and there were at least 100 maybe 200 people there that early.I think the chances of catching COVID-19 laying out on the sand, swimming, and playing in the surf in this heat, sun and humidity are approximately zero. Not going to be a problem in my opinion.
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Agree re normal crowds. But the literally on top of one another stuff in the Ozarks seems way different and a disaster waiting to happen
Agree that normal beach crowds aren’t a likely problem. But the on top of one another in the Ozarks seems like a disaster waiting to happen.
@Midwest67 - a local restaurant here is opening but only for takeout. The chef said he spoke about it with the staff and that is what they are comfortable with right now.
He’s also starting a food truck.
Another local chef is opening one of her restaurants for takeout orders and will also host one couple per night, for a fixed price 5-course meal. Reservations for the month sold out instantly for that and crashed the website for a while, lol.
I think a lot of restaurant people are very cautious right now and don’t want to jump in hastily in case the dam breaks.
No one can get better intel than you.
Jeesch, I was just agreeing with your statement on what you believed to be true.
Sorry if you felt I was stepping on your toes.
It was all over the news last month.
Another gem I like - retyping it from our local newspaper, though it was a reporter who wrote it, not the editor:
"Changing scientific understanding of the virus isn’t a flaw. It’s a virtue.
Good science by definition is based upon the latest information. The whole point of research is to uncover previously unknown facts. Only bad science clings to an old point of view in the face of strong new evidence.
So, “the scientists are saying something different now” shouldn’t be a complaint. It actually means more has been learned.
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In terms of public policy, it is simply common sense to act according to the current consensus of scientific understanding. If most experts agree on something, it is unreasonable for non-experts to reject the majority view.
If my car wouldn’t start, and nine out of ten mechanics recommended a new alternator, I wouldn’t hand my vehicle over to the one person who said I just needed a new battery.
Of course on the Internet you can always find a few voices willing to argue in favor of a new battery - or in favor of putting water in the gas tank because of the evil anti-water, pro-alternator conspiracy.
In short, expertise matters, and it evolves."
To anyone wanting to look these up, they come from the Gettysburg Times 5/23 edition. I’m not sure how much one can see without a subscription, but I want to give credit where credit is due and most folks know I live in south central PA anyway - though not Gettysburg itself.