Well, I’ll continue to go by the recommendations of people who work in science, and not unscientific pictures of clouds in the absence of data.
To each their own, but IMO it’s not fair to judge those who are following the scientific/CDC/state recommendations. FWIW WHO recommends only 1 meter for social distancing, and that is what a number of other countries follow.
Do you have a link on the “cloud” thing? The only report I saw showed a cloud, but with no measurement of how far the cloud traveled. Probably just sloppy reporting, but I never saw the actual study. Do you have a link that shows distance?
Fine by me. I don’t really care anymore what other people do or if they get the virus.
I, for one, do care, and I suspect you do too. Getting people to follow the CDC/state social distancing recs is difficult enough, and then putting an even higher level of expectations and constraints means still fewer would follow those.
The reality is that many (probably most) people, in the absence of a vaccine, are going to get covid-19 over the next year or two or three.
The NY info which came out this morning REALLY needs to be looked at and addressed.
If 66% of the recent hospital admissions for COVID were people SIP then this is BIG news.
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-long-island-new-york-covid19-1.44418223
Is it a cultural thing - were the affected folks really not isolating from others? Were these cases related to high density multi-family housing style buildings?
Is one of the answers to our problem - no more city, high rise, urban - living?
And it’s still not being reported correctly by the media. MS’s false spike was explained over the weekend. But as late as last night’s evening news, Lester Holt (who I adore!) said MS put their reopening on hold after a surge in new cases.
I wipe down my perishable groceries that have to be put away immediately. The rest stay in my garage for 3-4 day. And I still wipe them down after that.
I also constantly wash my hands even though the only person I have any close contact with is my husband. The one day he had to go into the emergency op center I made him strip in the garage and then immediately go into the shower, without touching anything in the house. And I still disinfected everything he walked by on his way to the bathroom. I laid out towels and washcloths for him beforehand and clothes to change into, so he wouldn’t have to even go into linen closet.
The virus didn’t magically appear in these people’s homes.
I think people believe they staying at home but, imo, they are having contact with someone or more than one person.
People lie. Were you going out, were you around people who were not wearing masks?
Me, or course not! I was sheltering at home! No idea how I got this!
Or they forget, as posters upthread who went out and didn’t touch a thing - except gate, walk buttons, etc…
I do think most of us will get it, which is what we were told back in February or so. Then we sort of hoped we could stop it, but now we’re back to we’re all going to get it, some of us will be hospitalized, and treatments are improving.
Those of us with family members in nursing homes and retirement communities are wondering what we need to do to see them again.
Nope. I’m done caring. They don’t care about their actions so why should I? I’m also tired of hearing the excuses why they can’t do something. So go and do.
Here is an example of restriction that will lead to more frustration: Santa Clara County prohibits car parades/celebrations. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/06/drive-through-graduations-celebrations-forbidden-in-santa-clara-county/
I can’t remember if I posted about this, but the Boston Globe ran an article. The headline in the online edition read, “Let’s Sneak Up to Maine to Get Haircuts.”
https://z1073.com/boston-globe-headline-lets-sneak-up-to-maine-to-get-haircuts/
I’m afraid the Maine governor is going to cave and open up the state more. If she does it county by county, I hope she takes into account which ones are likely to be inundated by tourists. Even if they have a low infection rate now, that could quickly change with a bunch of visitors.
The virus didn’t magically jump over grocery store workers and other people out and about and target people hiding in their homes with zero contact with other human beings.
These people went to the grocery store or made other “necessary” trips or live with someone who works or goes out in the world. There is no way that someone who truly never left their home or interacted with any other human being is magically getting infected while others who are out and about are spared.
“New York City’s coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country.
The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast.
The findings are drawn from geneticists’ tracking signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people and models of the outbreak by infectious disease experts.”
So emilybee if you get this virus we really have a problem!
Yep.
In 1918, 28% of the American population contracted the deadly influenza virus. I don’t necessarily think that we can extrapolate that statistic to today’s society (for various reasons), but I don’t agree that “everyone” or even “most” are going to get COVID.
I think a vaccine is going to be fast tracked. I don’t believe the powers that be are going to mandate several years of testing, especially given that some of the vaccines being tested now have actually been in development for years for SARS and MERS and have simply been tweaked for this virus. JMO.
The question is how many people will get the vaccine, if fast tracked?
Adding that the manufacturing and administration of hundreds of millions of doses will take a long time.
It is not that we all will get the virus, it is that we all will be exposed to it. Some will develop it after exposure, some will be naturally immune. Of those who do develop it, many will have no symptoms, some will have mild symptoms, and some will have complications. We knew all this from the cruise ship experience.
People don’t care - that is painfully obvious. It’s all me, me, me.
I’d like to get my hair cut and colored but I can’t. It’s not going to kill me to wait.
What I am observing is people no longer listen to or respect experts. I have a presumption that people using this site value education, but even here, it’s my observation that people have replaced expert advice with their own self-confidence achieved because they read an article, heard something on the news, did a Google search, heard something from a friend, or a friend of a friend, or have a feeling. The disregard for the experts who spent 8+ years earning a doctorate degree and then added some number of years of work experience in subjects such as virology, epidemiology, immunology, medicine, public health, statistics, mathematics, economics goes far in explaining why our country is the worst-affected country in the world.
In WWII, “American industry provided almost two-thirds of all the Allied military equipment produced during the war: 297,000 aircraft, 193,000 artillery pieces, 86,000 tanks and two million army trucks. In four years, American industrial production, already the world’s largest, doubled in size.” Source PBS
Somehow we also provided uniforms for 16 million soldiers, so eighty years later why can’t our country, produce enough protective gear for our medical workers? Why cant we produce ventilators and dialysis equipment quickly, why can’t we figure out testing like so many other countries have, and why are our citizens so unwilling to pull together and make the sacrifices necessary to deal with a common threat to all?
The experts aren’t telling us we have to stay home until there is a vaccine, they are telling us what we need to do to open and still keep the virus manageable. What they say is needed should be easily achievable for our country, but we are failing.
Good government and leadership matters. In my opinion, we don’t have those at the federal level.