Coronavirus thread for June

Texas Medical Center published incomplete data on ICU beds Saturday. Governor calls for accurate and timely data
From CNN’s Alexandra Field and Meridith Edwards

The Texas Medical Center released a statement Sunday saying that an incomplete slide deck, or presentation page, was posted yesterday to their website. This means there was insufficient information on the number of ICU beds amid the coronavirus pandemic.

This statement comes amid concerns that the Texas Medical Center had stopped publishing updated data on Intensive Care Unit bed availability in the Houston area.

“Yesterday the TMC posted an incomplete slide deck in order to allow time to fully develop a number of new slides. The new slides as well as a number of updated slides that were absent yesterday will be released later today. Collectively they will provide a more comprehensive and accurate description of the current status,” TMC said in the statement.
Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner told CNN Sunday that he noticed data was down for Friday and Saturday.

“That information was provided for the last, well over the last month, I would get those numbers every morning. So I noticed that I didn’t get them Friday and Saturday,” Turner said. “I’ve had some conversations and I think we’re all on the same page. And that should be coming back as of tomorrow.”

Right now, especially when the numbers are surging in the wrong direction, information is very important," Turner said. “We need to be transparent as much as possible.”
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott spoke with hospital executives earlier in the week and told them that they need to provide accurate and timely data on Covid-19 as often as possible, an Abbott spokesperson told CNN.

@“Cardinal Fang” , I don’t know about the mask use, social distancing, and presence of COVID patients in the hospital. I too am very curious, but I don’t know how much information my ex will be given by his sister or how much she is privy to.

Observation - National women soccer is back to playing. I am watching Chicago Red Stars vs. Washington Spirit on TV, no spectators ( wish I was there, just me though lol). Players and coaches on the bench all wearing mask. Why don’t they just sit further apart and take the mask off I wonder? I mean they have the entire stadium for themselves, and it’s so hot outside.

It was so surreal to see most of the players kneeled during the national anthem, with Julie Ertz and Katie Short sobbing. All of them wore BLM T-shirt.

Best part, Rose Lavelle, my favorite player just scored for Washington Spirit. I freaking love soccer!

Could the common cold have many of us primed for the battle against covid-19?

Can someone smarter than me give me the cliff notes version?

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-35331/v1

If your posts have disappeared, they were problematic.

What is calling out? Well, if you name or quote another poster to imply or claim they’re fools or blind or crazy, that would be be calling out. If you name or quote another poster in order to say something nasty, sarcastic, or snarky, that would be calling out. None of that is done for the purpose of presenting different opinions or to advance a discussion.

I’m guessing those kinds of posts, along with blatantly political ones, are the posts getting deleted.

@Lindagaf - are there too many problem posters to just temporarily ban them vs closing the thread?

@cinnamon1212 , yes, a number of users have been notified.

@Marilyn , we are attempting moderation lite on this thread and banning users, apart from clear violations of TOS, is something we are trying to avoid.

Thanks for letting us know, @Lindagaf . Sometimes I think peoples’ self assessments aren’t accurate :slight_smile: , and so they might not have realized.

@Nhatrang fellow soccer aficionado here! We’ve been watching the Bundesliga ever since the first game back, and just now switched over to watching the Premier League. At those games, the people on the sidelines all wear masks and generally are spaced apart. When the various US leagues talk about restarting I wonder why no one mentions European soccer, since they’ve been back and playing for some time now.

Just to clarify, @doschicos, this is a 2-day total since no data was submitted yesterday due to a “planned power outage”, whatever that is.

Israeli health minister warns second wave of Covid-19 infections has begun
From CNN’s Oren Liebermann and Amir Tal

Israel’s health minister warned a second wave of Covid-19 infections has begun, as new cases of the coronavirus soar in a country that appeared to have it well under control just a few weeks ago.

The number of new infections in Israel has reached more than 500 daily, just a few weeks after the government started reopening the country. In mid-May there were approximately 20 new infections a day, with the number sometimes down in single figures.

Edelstein targeted his anger at anyone not taking Covid-19 seriously.

“I hear people saying: why are you creating panic? A few elderly people will die, so what? To any person who thinks like this, I say, ‘Imagine your grandfather or grandmother among those elderly,’” Edelstein said.

Heard from my sister in Sweden today that she got tested. She said that widespread testing arrived in Stockholm about a week or two ago, finally!

A taxi driver brought the test to her then said he would return in 1/2 hour. He had a full box of test kits for her area. It was an oral swab and there was a video to watch to learn how to do it. The taxi driver was masked and gloved ( a rarity!). She found out she was negative about 72 hours later.

Thanks @Lindagaf for your volunteer service. Much appreciated by many.

On the C19 front it appears there has been a small spike in South Korea. Tiny amount relatively speaking but they were as close to no cases as anywhere.

It’s simply that there are millions of unreported cases globally.

We discussed, one or two days ago, a study from JP Morgan that restaurant spending three weeks ago in an area was a good proxy for covid cases now, particularly in-person restaurant spending. And then we wondered how they could tell the customers dined in house.

Turns out, they couldn’t. But they could tell whether the restaurant actually had the person’s physical card, rather than getting the credit card number over the phone. The restaurant could’ve gotten the physical credit card when the person picked up the food, to be sure, but everyone who dined in and paid by credit card would have proffered their card. By eliminating some of the takeout orders, the study could look more at in-person orders.

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Higher-restaurant-spending-could-be-linked-to-15369923.php

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-hospitals-hit-100-base-ICU-capacity-15372256.php


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"Houston hospitals hit 100% base ICU capacity. Then they stopped reporting data."

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Texas Medical Center hospitals have stopped reporting key metrics showing the stress rising numbers of COVID-19 patients are placing on their facilities, undermining data that policy makers and the public have relied upon during the pandemic to gauge the spread of the coronavirus.

The change came one day after the hospitals reported their base intensive care capacity had hit 100 percent for the first time during the pandemic, with projections showing the institutions — which together comprise the world’s largest medical complex — were on pace to exceed their “unsustainable surge capacity” by July 6.

It also followed discussions between Gov. Greg Abbott and hospital executives in which the governor expressed displeasure with negative headlines about ICU capacity, sources familiar with the talks said.

Abbott spokesman John Wittman said any insinuation that the governor directed the executives to stop publishing certain data is false.

“The governor’s office believes all hospitals should be reporting accurate data to the state and to the public as often as possible,” Wittman said Sunday morning. “We demanded more information to share, not less.”

The shift, in which TMC deleted charts from its online COVID-19 dashboard, also accompanied public confusion surrounding the hospitals’ ability to withstand a massive spike in cases that has followed Abbott’s May decisions to lift restrictions intended to slow the virus.

Last Wednesday, 11 TMC leaders issued a statement warning that an “alarming” increase in hospitalizations soon could “overwhelm” their systems.

The next morning, Abbott issued an order restricting elective procedures at hospitals in Harris and Texas’ three other largest counties, saying he wanted to ensure the facilities retained enough beds to deal with the surge of cases.

Shortly after, four of the 11 TMC CEOs held a video press conference to tone down the concern they had expressed just 18 hours before. Hospital leaders wound up “unintentionally sounding an alarm bell too loudly,” Houston Methodist CEO Dr. Marc Boom said.

Boom and his three peers, including Dr. David Callender of Memorial Hermann, Mark Wallace of Texas Children’s Hospital and Dr. Doug Lawson of CHI St. Luke’s, said their systems were not in imminent danger of turning away patients and had plans to accommodate the surge.

On Friday morning, Harris County Judge Lina Hidalgo moved the county to the highest threat level, however, warning that the current hospitalization rate is “on pace to overwhelm the hospitals in the near future.”

Hospital revenues had plunged after Abbott last restricted elective procedures in late March.

In April — when the roughly month-long ban was in effect — Houston’s health care sector shed nearly 33,000 jobs; Methodist and CHI St. Luke’s in mid-May said they had seen huge drops in outpatient surgeries and ER visits, and Memorial Hermann said a shift from elective procedures to COVID-19 care had reduced revenues and increased costs so drastically that $92 million in federal COVID-19 relief did not cover the system’s losses.

Friday morning, 24 hours after the four CEOs’ press conference, the TMC released no new data. After reporting 17 charts and graphs on most days for three months, the organization did not post from Thursday morning until Saturday at about 9 p.m.

When the charts re-appeared, eight of the 17 original slides had been deleted — including any reference to hospital capacity or projections of future capacity — and the lone remaining slide referencing the risks associated with shrinking capacity had been altered.

An “early warning” chart on Thursday reported base ICU capacity had reached 100 percent, and was marked with a red dot signifying a “warning.” On Saturday, the same chart no longer discussed ICU capacity but instead intensive care “census growth,” and was marked with an orange dot signifying “moderate concern.”

The item acknowledged rising numbers of ICU COVID-19 patients but stated, “Currently TMC institutions are able to serve all patients requiring intensive care.”

Boom, of Houston Methodist, said in an email late Friday that the TMC leaders are in discussions about how to “best educate” news media and the public on hospital capacity issues.

“Therefore, the publicly released deck will, at the present time, not include projections or capacity until we can work together to improve the communication of and education around such data,” Boom said.<<<<

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^^^ yikes! (referring to Syballa’s post)

Site with death statistics by country from many causes. It’s interesting to see how different things are deadly in different areas of the world.

There’s a tab for current Covid stats too.

https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/

My sister-in-law who had it (bad enough to be ventilated; after a few weeks of that she’s recovered, fortunately) got it before either the reopening or the BLM protests, but they did try to do some contact tracing, and came up with…nothing.

Absolutely nothing. And all the members of her household tested negative, so it wasn’t even an second-order contact through one of them.

And that’s one of the frustrating things about coming up with an answer to your indirect question—when you’re dealing with a highly contagious disease where there are a lot of asymptomatic carriers, you’re never going to be able to actually pin down the mode of transmission in a whole bunch of cases.


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Neither TMC CEO Bill McKeon nor any other hospital system in the medical center returned calls for comment Friday.

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A note posted on the TMC website Sunday morning said the charts posted Saturday night were “incomplete” and that “new slides as well as a number of updated slides that were absent yesterday” would be released later Sunday to “provide a more comprehensive and accurate description of the current status.”

News media and public officials had been referring to the capacity projections for weeks without the TMC or its member hospitals raising any concerns.

Angela Blanchard, a disaster expert and former BakerRipley CEO, said the decision by hospital executives to hold back data is troubling, given that still-inadequate testing capabilities make hospital capacity one of the best available metrics to track the virus.

“From the beginning, we were told to work together to flatten the curve with the specific goal of keeping our hospitals from being overwhelmed. We sacrificed for that,” she said. “TMC needs to retain our trust by being forthright. If they’re worried that the metric misses some nuance, they should explain it. We’re not children."

Hospitals throughout the region have continued to report data to the Southeast Texas Regional Advisory Council, which coordinates the region’s emergency response to disasters. One of that organization’s charts showed 95 percent of Harris County’s “operational” ICU hospital beds in use as of Saturday, with additional surge capacity beyond the “operational” level.

The altered TMC data also still includes a slide showing daily growth in ICU and “med surg” hospitalizations, showing a 6.2 percent average daily growth in COVID-19 hospitalizations.

Neither the SETRAC data nor the remaining TMC hospitalizations chart reference the facilities’ capacity to accommodate further growth in admitted patients or projects beyond the current date.<<<

In the case of the original poster, the relatives that got infected knew (or at least had a good idea of) who had infected them: the business partner, and the infected co-worker at the VA hospital. It was a matter of how the infection happened, not who infected them.

My son and hubby follow European soccer, we have every single game recorded. I just can’t watch all of them, so many leagues too. The news is US focus but in my circle people do talk about European soccer.

I think the sideline people could do away with not wearing mask if they remember to keep distance at all time. My kids said bc they want to set a good example. When I walk my dog outside, I bring my mask in case someone wants to chitchat.