I am also monitoring and adding to my strategic stockpiles. That reminds me… need to order more Treveri and Rombauer.
I think that’s interesting, and a good analogy.
And also, like seat belts, I hope it becomes more widely understood that it’s neither 100% safe nor 0% safe - in other words, you also need safe driving, a car with air-bags, safe conditions, etc. etc. I’ve seen some people get way too close “because I’m wearing a mask” and it reminds me of people assuming they can drive dangerously because of having antilock brakes.
We are stocking up on the things we can get. We have hand sanitizer, and plenty of toilet paper, and food.
But those Lysol and Clorox wipes? They just aren’t here unless you are willing to stalk the stores…and websites. I just can’t figure out what the deal is with those? Everything else has become available for now…but not those wipes.
My friend who is very cautious ( hasn’t been out of the house except in her own yard since the shelter in place orders) went to a doctors week before last because she’s been incredibly anxious about getting tested for COVID even though there’s really no way she could have gotten it. She wanted doc to look at her toes…dry skin doc said. The doctor Ordered a test… (turned out negative). Friend told her she’s very anxious because her husband is going back to work in July. Doc then told her “ I understand your anxiety and. it’s good you are being cautious but as we open up the number one way for you to reduce your risk of serious effects from the virus is to lose weight. I have had NO patients your age in a healthy weight range who have been hospitalized. 99.9 percent of the female patients in our entire practice who have required hospitalization are obese and your BMI is in this range”.
Now she wants a new doctor because this was “ rude”.
@maya54, if your friend’s physician really used those words, I don’t think the physician was rude, and I think your friend should be grateful for the appropriate advice.
Now she wants a new doctor because this was “ rude”<<<<<<
This is a real risk for drs. It needs to be done. Way back there were deaths of 2 HCPs in the UK, and the articles said they were young and healthy, but they were young and obese. It does us no favours, this pandering. Drs are generally not bringing this up. It won’t matter, in a minute the insurance companies will be adjusting rates for this risk factor. Obesity is not a value judgment, it is a clinical measure.
I just spray a paper towel with either my bleach & water mix or !ysol spray w/bleach.
I keep a container of wipes I got way back in March in my car and H has one in his car. But, since we barely go anywhere we’ve hardly used them. I didn’t even need to put gas in my car since we filled up in the beginning of March to drive back from CT. I still had 1/4 tank when I turned it in a little over a week ago and new car came with a full tank, so who knows when I’ll need to fill it again.
I still have the bottle of NYClean hand sanitizer H brought home from the day he worked in the bunker and a few small ones of Purell I found in the bathroom vanity. I keep one in my purse, and have only used it after going to ATM.
I just bought a 3 pack of Lysol Wipes(240 wipes) on Walmart’s website.
^^ Doctor that won’t tell you the unpleasant truth might as well be moonlighting as an undertaker.
There was a UK analysis, weeks and weeks ago, that showed obesity as about the #1 risk factor.
I’ve no clue as to the prevalence of obesity in the different US ethnic groups. Surely, there’s the opportunity for a paper that won’t slide into obscurity or be retracted out there for someone as to that.
@Sybylla every time I read about someone young I look at their picture and 99.9 percent of time they were clearly obese, like the wonderful young woman mentioned in a recent prior post. That broadway actor who is very ill and may die despite being thin seems to be a very rare case. I have not seen anyone under age 50 who is trim and in the obituaries. Often the family will say “ very healthy” and it turns out that they were obese like that woman who is believed to be the first who died of the virus in the US.
There was an article about an absolutely wonderful doctor who died. He was morbidly obese. A doc we know said that if the guy had had lung cancer in the past his co- workers would not have hesitated to say “You have had Lung cancer, you are at too high a risk to be working “ but no one wants to say “ You are severely obese so you are at too high a risk to be working. ”
CDC has that info:
Masks are required… the rest is not.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nudist-resorts-reopening-with-clothes-off-and-masks-on/
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Several weeks ago, The Today Show did a piece on Clorox wipes, and they said they wouldn’t show up on store shelves until July. Yesterday my neighbor found some at Walmart here in PA.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html says that “Non-Hispanic blacks (49.6%) had the highest age-adjusted prevalence of obesity, followed by Hispanics (44.8%), non-Hispanic whites (42.2%) and non-Hispanic Asians (17.4%).” Overall, “The prevalence of obesity was 42.4% in 2017~2018.”
I stockpiled long before folks hit the stores here. I’m continuing to add to my stockpile, slowly and as I see need. I’ve not cleaned the shelves anywhere just purchasing one item at a time. Still, the shelves are sparse on certain things.
We had already been well stocked in foods and are trying to eat our way through that. Now have two freezers as well as freezer on top of fridge , so we can store things as we see what we want or as I cook in bulk. Lots of fresh produce and fish here, so the eatin’s good. Spoiled—I want to eat out. We just had sandwiches outside of an eatery for first time in months, and I so enjoyed the experience. I’m not big on carry out foods, though we’ve done more than we ever had. Usually we limit carry out and delivery to Chinese food and pizza.
I drive an EV, so no problem for me either 
On the other hand, it does seem that, if the survey respondents in the survey referenced in https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/06/covid-19-coronavirus-longterm-symptoms-months/612679/ were being truthful (under 1% listed overweight/obesity under pre-existing conditions, a rather unrepresentative sample considering most of the respondents were in the US), non-obese people who get COVID-19 could have bad outcomes other than death (i.e. the long term symptoms or disabilities).
Some highlights from the survey are listed in a post in the medicine thread: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/22842591/#Comment_22842591
Many people who are obese per BMI charts don’t consider themselves as such. They think that only people who weigh 300 pounds are obese. The 5 ft 3, 175 pound people I know, including friend see themselves as “ chunky” not obese. But they are. 1 percent “ obese” is highly unlikely. Not that people are lying, they believe it. But they are not accurate.
You left out caring for others, empathy, kindness, compassion, and belief in science.
Somewhere I read that the line for COVID death rate really climbs when BMI is over 40. Look at the charts. That is very heavy.