“I prefer to let individuals balance the costs versus the benefits of continued lockdowns.” Then you, I, and protesters have some common ground.
D2 hired a mover whose staff refused to masks or gloves. She fired them on the spot, except unfortunately she had paid them ahead of time. The mover wouldn’t give her money back. I told her to put in a claim with her credit card company. She was able to get a full refund.
I got her another mover who showed up with masks/gloves, and social distanced from D2, but didn’t do as good of job with her puppy (social distancing).
Has anyone posted this animated graph of the leading causes of death worldwide this year? It’s pretty compelling (be sure to watch the whole thing). https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/
@oldfort it’s very hard to social distance from a puppy!
@2,840,000 died in the USA in 2018. 266,000 per month.
Covid-19 is going to kill more people. We cannot as a country stay locked in forever. Unless of course we continue to be privileged and rely on all the essential people to continue to “put their lives on the line” to allow many of us to hide inside.
Our economy can’t handle an extended lockdown. Our mental health, other health issues that need attention etc will cause more deaths. We cannot allow the cure to be worse than the disease.
I said in the for the most part, if you read carefully. The biggest cities, Camden and Newark, were peaceful. There was some looting in AC, which of course has nothing to do with protest, and it was quelled by the community in subsequent protests. I stand by my statement that less militarism leads to less social distanceless crowd issues leads to less Covid. Which is the topic of the thread.
But i appreciate you googling till you could find one instance to nullify my bigger and valid point.
Putting in my support for closing this thread. I know I can walk away from it. I have many times and have contributed very little. But…I know it’s here. It’s a train wreck.
Debate is one thing. This feels like a bunch of punching bags.
Chilling.
That’s “Science” for you: a din of competing voices, with only a few being given center stage. If their predictions don’t turn out to be true, well… you’ll never hear them mentioned again, except in the outlets that the smart people say are trash.
Going on four months of skulking in the closest, being told what you can and can’t do by goofy little conflicted political dictators and scolding busybodies that can’t even be consistent as to what’s bad for us.
I’m done. Going fishing for four days with 5 people that won’t have an antibody passport with them. When daily deaths start climbing nationwide, or even in my state, I’ll start worrying about it again.
Super interesting. Thanks for the link. Would love to see a similar chart for the US.
This is the core of the disagreement among posters, isn’t it?
The LAST people I want making these decisions are politicians - they are the worst kind of “governmental experts.”
I like me some scientific-based decisions, even if they are overconfident. If there is a solid mix of overconfident scientific opinions, hopefully there will be a majority that see things similarly. From what I read, the economists and the epidemiologists get along just fine, and for the most part agree. The key to saving the economy, they say, is dealing with the pandemic first. I am ok with trusting that collective, cross-discipline judgment until some other rational theory vetted by experts comes along.
Not exactly:
https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html
(Of course, they may be cleverly expressing support for the cause, because a lack of approval might be looked at as a douse of gasoline by the protestors. Don’t think the rioters are worried about approval or the lack of it.)
Very impressive.
Giving a COVID pass to the “protests” is nothing but virtue signaling pure and simple. No reason to overthink this.
A professional seal of approval, even it was padded with Med students, is the first line of defense/obfuscation against the possibility of a heavy outbreak that can be correlated to the protests.
There’s also no need to overthink what people mean when they accuse other people of “virtue signaling.”
Illinois is on track to move to its phase 4 towards the end of June, which will include limited seating inside restaurants, as well as the patio seating currently allowed.
We didn’t think it would happen so soon.
This is GREAT news for the restaurant H works for.
I don’t think it’s a train wreck at all. No more than any other thread about a serious topic.
When I don’t like the direction a thread is going, I just stop reading it. I’ve done that countless times. It’s not difficult to do either. I also make a conscious choice about posts I respond to, and totally ignore others. Also, not difficult to do.
Then there are threads I never open at all because I don’t care about the topic or don’t have anything to contribute to it judging from the title.
And sometimes I do read threads, don’t post, but just shake my head at the vitriol I’m reading. But, I’d never suggest a thread like that be closed. Not my business and definitely not my job.
I had seen that letter, signed by HCPs in support of protests in spite of COVID, a few days ago.
That’s when it was clear SIP was officially over. A march just concluded in my small town. Lots of hugging and kissing in the crowd. Speakers with no masks and no social distancing.
Tomorrow - time to storm the beach (it’s closed to prevent COVID spread), Time to get a group of friends together for a game of volleyball and maybe a picnic with a number of other families. It’s okay to do that now. It would seem that if one has the right intention the virus will comply and leave you alone.
I will meditate to ensure my intentions are pure. And, my mental health demands it.
I vote for keeping the thread open, and the mods can warn us when they feel it’s necessary.
We can put people on “ignore” and give them the crickets that they deserve. It’s much better that way! Better for your blood pressure and we know that’s a risk factor.
Count me in as someone who works in health care who wants to see this thread remain open. I like hearing the news/experiences from other areas. Easy enough for me to ignore the snark or back and forth. This is the one thread that I follow on CC, along with the travel thread. I hope they both don’t get shut down.