Daughter dressing scantily

@doschicos I really think posters aren’t giving carte blanche to the negative speech by boys I just think maybe they’re tired of the back and forth.

I didn’t use SJW in the context you’re thinking I really was trying to properly use it lol (was I wrong?)

I feel sometimes it’s exhausting having conversations nowadays worrying if you’re using or not using the right terminology and I sincerely mean that, not trying to be sarcastic.

I just want to add, did you read the part about the girl who sent a naked pic to a bunch of guys? Some of you latched on about the crude language but didn’t mention the crude act by the girl. I had to not only speak to my kids about the inappropriateness of the language of the guys but the action of the girl as well.

Both DDs were a little sheltered in the clothing dept for quite a while. Relatives and friends’ kids that were older gave me a peek into modest/not modest and perhaps some factors going on.

Once the student leaves for college, they may find they are comfortable in clothing that is more scant than what you as a parent may have purchased.

One DD was non-uniform for 7-8-9, but wasn’t pushing any limits then - did dress fashionably but not scantily.

The main message I wanted to convey was that it is important to having butt cheeks covered primarily with the type/style of shorts. They like athletic shorts so that usually isn’t a problem. DDs knew where H and I were on looking appropriate. On a skimpy cut short style, just making sure the shorts are pulled down to covering the butt cheeks.

In HS, some girls ‘rolled’ their skirts - the school coordinated with the uniform place on skirt length. DDs didn’t complain about the uniforms because they all wore them, and no decision making time used ‘deciding’ what to wear to school. When the one complained about uniforms, I told her she had a 3 year reprieve. They always liked wearing volleyball shorts under their dress - a carryover from elementary school where shorts under the skirt was part of dressing correctly.

When it comes to some of the prom dresses - now some super revealing – and public and private HSs did have some guidelines.

One doesn’t have to have super revealing clothes accentuate a great body - a great body will look great in attire that is looking appropriate too.

Young women can make ‘mistakes’ - I was so naive, I didn’t realize my bra in college allowed perky to show thru a loose T shirt. I was in a sketch business area in daytime and some young guy said something inappropriate to me; I asked my now H, and he informed me (and I got better bras).

The secular messages sent now - what is allowed on TV, the west/east coast trends, and the language as well are all reducing how people talk and how people dress.

The plumber’s butt commercial - UGH! Horrible.

And one thing I saw a young woman wear that was understandably naive if not wanting to dress ‘racy’ : a red thong with the back pulled up above the tight jeans and a top cut short enough to show this thong lace on her back side; matching red heels.

Fyi, urban dictionary: “Social Justice Warrior: A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation.”

All we know on a forum is what others do say. If all you meant was a “by the way,” I still don’t endorse that sort of dismissive attitude by males. Whether in the locker room or the board room. It’s a pity poor attitude.

If my kids came to me with that sort of “fyi, Mom,” you can bet I would stop in my tracks. Same goes for lots of other terms people feel free to use, for other groups, cuz they’re “joking” or they think it’s fine. Or they think it’s true.

The use of the word “rage” along with “SJW” is pretty clear in its intended meaning. I’ve always scored pretty highly in reading comprehension. :wink: Or the word choice was very, very poor. Posts like that lead me to think it is the poster with the rage.

Great thing about the internet - if you’re tired of the discussion, don’t partake. Really simple. :slight_smile:

When it was the new thing to refer to girls as bitches, as in “my bitches” or “those bitches,” you can bet I had the chat, too. I don’t care if some sub-populaces feel it’s ok.

As I’ve said, there’s dress I don’t particularly like (secret: that includes pointy-toed shoes and those weird, rubbery, strappy sandals, lol. All sorts of things.) But this thread started using deeply critical terms- hate, disgust, abhor, etc, and claims there is something inherently at fault with those gals. And then the comments that maybe we should all go nude. The insistence short shorts are all about exposed butts. Mercy.

Too pointy heels give me the creeps. I look away.

Going back over the threads here, there really are two very different discussions that revolve around judgement and consequences and whether they matter or not.

1)Appropriate wear for what you are doing, for example in the workplace and the consequences of not doing so, a young man wearing hip hop jeans (ie showing butt crack) or a young woman with a very short skirt, etc. It would be great in the real world if it didn’t matter but it does, even if a company doesn’t have a formal dress code there can be consequences, the young woman in question might get labelled by others as being someone pretty who got their job because they were good looking (and other not so nice thoughts), the young man might get thought of as a thug or whatnot. The work world has changed a lot, a lot of businesses these days realize how hard it is to find good workers and put up with a lot that in the past would have been a ticket out the door, but even so, there are consequences. With something like work, I can sit back and say what difference do tattoos mean or a short skirt, and personally I could give a crap less, but it could be an issue, and it is something to be talked about, that kind of consequence has weight.

2)Being dressed skimpily hanging out with friends, yep people will judge someone they don’t like the way they are dressed, have tattoos, piercings, whatnot, and in that case my answer would be “who cares what some woman on the street thinks, or some group of idiot frat boys, or church ladies, or whatnot”. If safety is not an issue then if a young woman dresses ‘sexily’ or a boy wears hip hop jeans or whatever, they likely know what people think, and honestly as a parent I shouldn’t care what other people think, if they think that makes my kid a ‘ho’ or a ‘gangsta’ or whatnot, or they think it means I am a bad parent, they can stick their feelings where the sun doesn’t shine, I don’t care. That doesn’t mean I would encourage my daughter to go goth at a family get together, but if she does it, and the rest of the family doesn’t like it, gossips, be my guess, and if it gets back to me I generally have enough tidbits of their peccadilos to in a sense tell them to butt out shrug.

And I can’t resist a funny anecdote on this, that sort of has bearing. During WWI a British officer was caught apparently chasing a chamber maid in the buff, and was brought up on charges of being out of uniform, which in the British military (not surprisingly) this is a major, major offense (or was). Anyway, it went to a courts martial, and the defense lawyer pled not guilty…British regulations were very strict about uniforms, but there was a part of the regulations that said an officer could be out of uniform if they were in the appropriate uniform for a sport they were playing…defense counsel argued that the officer was in fact in the appropriate uniform for the sport he was pursuing, and the courts martial found him not guilty on those grounds (I remember this from a Dick Cavett show, Lowell Thomas told the story, he was in Egypt where the incident happened). Kind of a funny take on how nebulous appropriate attire is:)

“church ladies”

Now I have Dana Carvey in my mind. Perfect. :slight_smile:

One of my anecdotes, musicprnt, is an English friend I had, who had owned a candy shop in a rough part of London. This was in the days when punkers wore hair spiked up, fluorescent colors, mean tattoos, spikes on their clothing, ear rings, nose rings, who knows what rings under their shirts. Scary look.

I asked her once if she was intimidated by these neighborhood kids in her shop.

She said, heavens no, that they were some of the sweetest, nicest, most polite kids.
One anecdote, but an interesting lesson.

Speaking of past military practices in relation to the topic,

Spreading malicious gossip carelessly about girls/women as a commissioned officer is likely to at the very minimum, result in duel-challenges involving deadly weapons(i.e. sabers, pistols, etc) from other officers/men who take umbrage at such malicious gossip…especially if it is directed toward a female friend, relative, or moreso…their SO.

And if the offended party was a higher ranking officer or a peer with many connections in higher places, the malicious gossiper officer will likely find himself court-martialed for “Conduct unbecoming of an officer and a gentleman” and kicked out of the service with extreme prejudice and a black mark which will impede attempts to find suitably gainful employment or even social associations which seriously hurts in a period when one’s social connections and networking was arguably more important in getting along and ahead in such societies.

We should all be concerned about the type of derogatory language used by boys just as the behavior of girl sending a naked pic. Both are very inappropriate and I was very upset to hear about it. It just seems doschicos and lookingforward you were only concerned about the boys’ language and not the girl’s act of sending a nude pic. Either way, my point was ‘what can you do about it…it goes on at the schools and it probably won’t stop, but be aware that this kind of talk happens among some guys.’
This doesn’t excuse the behavior and I agree, lookingforward, that needs to change. But let’s also hold girls to the same level of decorum as well and not sext.

I’m surprised that I haven’t seen the thread of no bra at all on this thread. Two of my college age relatives go to progressive universities and have decided to go braless. One is a gender studies major and believes in free the nipple. They also both no longer shave their underarms as it isn’t natural and females shouldn’t have to conform to what society thinks females should be. It is also a “celebrity” thread to wear clothes that show the nipple.
All three of my children went through periods where they wore clothing or makeup that I didn’t like. As long as the clothing didn’t show bias or prejudice against anyone I let them wear it. I let them know I didn’t care for the choices but I’m not the clothes police. If I objected to something I wouldn’t buy it. There is also the issue that a tank or shirt that looks fine in a small breasted friend looked very sexualized on my D. We have a local beach that we frequent and we know a lot of the kids. The young girls wear some pretty butt revealing bottoms. My oldest who was my most difficult in that department as an adult says she wouldn’t let her child wear some of the bikinis.
What my kids do know is that there is appropriate dress for certain occasions. We recently traveled with extended family and my children and SO wore more modest dress clothing because the setting and traveling with the grandparents called for it. They were surprised that the cousins did not wear a bra and wore very short dresses.
If I see a dirty discolored bra strap I assume the person doesn’t have a lot of money to buy new undergarments. I have sleeveless tops that my bra straps on occasion will show off my back shoulder. I try to not have them show but I didn’t realize I was being judged.

@CALSmom Just for the record, we can ONLY comment on what you have actually posted at the time. Here’s your post that we commented on. There was zero mention of girls sexting (something boys seem to do even more from what I gather and yes, it is wrong regardless of who is doing it - and illegal when it involves minors). We can’t comment on what wasn’t said. Maybe I’m missing something… :-??

Your post: "I hear you and get that you and other CC parents of daughters who posted on this thread are just wanting to protect your daughters and don’t want others viewing her clothing choices as a character deficiency. Unfortunately, the reality is not pretty. Do you know the slang out there used by young guys who comment on girls’ clothing or dating habits? It’s awful. My boys share with me the lingo out there (THOT=That Ho Over There) said by guys who are mainly football and baseball athletes. I’m only sharing this so that you’re aware of what’s said by our kids’ peers.

With rap culture permeating the suburbs (it used to only be popular with urban kids), it’s cool for girls to dress scantily and twerk. Just go to YouTube and search for any videos by top rap artists and you’ll see what today’s teens and young adults are into and who’s influencing them."

Post #194 @doschicos
You actually quoted me from that post

@CALSmom That is your post calling us out for calling out the sexist boy talk. It was after the fact. You can’t question why we don’t talk about sexting when you hadn’t mentioned it previously. Again, a head scratcher for me.

:-?
You responded to my post #194 with #196 but you only addressed one part of my post, didn’t mention how wrong the girl was in her action. I also mentioned it in my post #200

“…doschicos and lookingforward you were only concerned about the boys’ language and not the girl’s act of sending a nude pic.”

What girl? On this thread? Only you mentioned it. I should comment on some incident I have no idea of?

But for the record, I know this issue exists. But what does sexting have to do with scanty dress? Same when someone says they saw someone under-dressed in the cold. Or some guy took his clothes off somewhere.

Hahaha I just have to chuckle.
Please see my response #214 lookingforward

I get quoted back part of my posts, I assume all of my posts were read in their entirety.

That’s ok. I’m done on this thread. Have a good day

This thread shows our society sure loves to cast judgement (often verbalized) on how females dress. I don’t think some people realize just how frequent it happens to women. It’s not just the scantily clad. It’s the overly modest,the not feminine enough, the too feminine, the too boring, etc. Its often nonstop. I’ve heard it happen in elementary school when girls are spoken to by teachers because their sundress straps aren’t wide enough, in middle school when girls have to change because their shorts don’t reach the end of the fingers on their long arms, or when boys criticize girls for never wearing “girl” clothes, it happens to girls at proms who are wearing strapless dresses, it happens to celebrities who are compared in “who wore it better?” and it’s even happened to women in office who have been shamed in every way, including for showing their clavicle.
It’s insane how badly people want to control women.

Why do you expect us to sashay into a comment on some incident you mentioned of a girl sexting? We know nothing (nothing) about this indent except that you brought it up.

“So do I report the girl who texted a naked pic of herself to a bunch of athletes at their HS?” Am I supposed to comment on this? Why? What did you expect, off-topic outrage?

YES…this, this this (#217) @mom2twogirls