There are also people who turn off location services on their phone, don’t use Alexa (or amazon at all), aren’t on FB and other sites like that, don’t give their name, address and date of birth to get 10% off coupons, etc, etc, etc.
We could have a whole conversation about people who choose (consciously or otherwise) to give away their privacy rights…but no one should assume all people are making those same choices.
And I’m not sure what any of those choices have to do with making any assumptions over someone protecting their rights in interactions with the police.
What I have been talking about is knowing and asserting one’s rights regardless of whether the LEO is acting properly. Police may think they have good reason to do what they do, even when they don’t. Which is all the more reason to know one’s rights.
Are you suggesting it is okay for LEO’s to look the other way when other LEO’s cut corners? Are you suggesting LEO’s don’t look the other way?
Or send their DNA(without a warrant, I might add) to a genealogy company that might share their genetic signature with law enforcement.
The point is that people worry about providing their name to a police officer, but consistently surrender personal information, in any number of ways, without a second thought. It’s an odd juxtaposition.
But it’s also not OK when nurses cover up for each other, when doctors backdate medical records or cover for each other when there is a malpractice suit, when lawyers look the other way when a colleague is spending down a client’s escrow funds or is acting unethically.
There are LOTS of professional situations where colleagues cover for each other. They are all wrong. Turning this into the cop bashing fest seems weird to me.
Do you know what it takes to get a physician disciplined in my state? A LOT. Even with clear malfeasance, lots of evidence, former patients willing to testify. Do you know why? Because OTHER physicians are going to go to bat for the one who shows up drunk at work, or left the OR in the middle of the procedure to take a call from his girlfriend.
Except there are plenty of people who aren’t doing any of those actions. Especially the DNA piece. SMH every time I think of people who choose to do that without understanding the LEO can access their data just by asking the companies - many of those companies don’t even ask for a warrant before sharing. If there was any doubt - I WOULD NEVER.
People concerned with their rights (privacy and otherwise) are often thinking about the privacy issues with all those actions…and many times choosing not to partake in order to protect their privacy.
And none of that has anything to do with what actions people can and should take in regards to interactions with LEOs. Unless it is the lack of knowledge of how much of those choices open people up to having LEOs being able to access even more information about you without your ok or overview.
Signing up for a coupon should in no way be seen as equivalent to being willing to relinquish or waive your constitutional rights in regards to LEOs. That anyone is making that argument is legitimately shocking to me.
You have every right to assert your constitutional rights when you wish. Just do not act surprised when some people judge you for doing so, as is also their right to do so generally.
Here is a simple scenario. I am walking down the street. Maybe I am in area the cop doesn’t think I belong or maybe I am wearing a shirt that the cop doesn’t agree with or what if I don’t look like him. He asks for id. I have to give it to him. Maybe he can’t drag me in for something then, but now he knows my address and where I live. What is to stop him from coming to my house and doing something to me.
Ummm . . . it’s a thread about LEOs. Not nurses. And telling people to know their rights in adversarial system is not “cop bashing.” (If this thread was about nursing, I’d caution people to be advocates for themselves and their loved ones, because sometimes nurses make mistakes and they don’t always do the right thing.)
The attitude that we have to ignore reality and pretend cops always have our best interests in mind seems weird to me. Because sometimes they don’t. It is the nature of their jobs, even when they are doing their jobs properly.
If you affirmatively fear that cops are going to come to your house for no apparent reason other than to do you harm ( see above post), then I do not think you are exhibiting the degree of community-mindedness I would expect and wish. Perhaps such fears then extend to firefighters, EMT personnel, neighbors, lost kids, etc etc. Such fears could easily result ( and have resulted) in terrible harm to innocent people.
Yes, there are a few bad LEOS, just as there are a few bad EMTs and bad neighbors. I don’t go through life suspicious of most people, and try to help them if I can. Do unto others and all that…
How hard is it get someone’s address- anyone’s address? Anyone can show up at your house at any time. What is the specific concern with law enforcement?
To anyone here- if you have or had cable tv – not hard to find your address. If you have or have had a mortgage or hold title to your home- not hard to find your address.
Every thing is already “out there” (which was my point earlier about signing up for a 10% off coupon). A not-so-talented 10 year old can unearth a wealth of information about you. A cop doesn’t need to see your driver’s license in order to do something nefarious (if he or she were so inclined). And if you’re walking down the street carrying a can of diet Coke- and discard the can- think of what information you have unwittingly put into the public domain if someone is following you and picks up that can.
I find it very difficult to see how you arrived at that conclusion after what I posted. A healthy degree of awareness of possibly negative consequences is not the same as fear
I also think it is interesting that the idea that LEOs (trained and armed with guns+) are often afraid was presented as a reason why they do what they do…and we should all be understanding.
And yet, the idea that civilians (usually unarmed, not trained, not professional in the field) might be cautious and or afraid is somehow a measure of weakness or presumed guilt?
Yeah, some of the people who police stop are indeed criminals who want to kill them, so fear is justified.
I really don’t feel the opposite is true, that the police are waiting for a chance to kill me in any interaction.
These are egregious offenses and could lead to serious consequences if discovered. Medical records are legal documents. One can place an addendum, but if they change or falsify them, they should be sanctioned at the very least or potentially lose their license. And any attorney messing with escrow accounts should be referred to their state Bar for an ethics violation for disciplinary action at the very least.
As for police, the New Orleans police Department is not exactly known for their upstanding behavior.
