I’ve been reading lots of the fan theories on reddit this past week (most from before last night’s episode). One that I really liked talked about how even though the Stark sigil is the wolf and the Targaryans are the 3-headed dragon, in reality Dany is the lone wolf and Jon, Sansa, and Arya together are the 3-headed dragon. In this theory (and again, pre-dating last night’s episode), Arya completes the Night King story arc, then Sansa completes the Cersei story arc (now this one might not happen since Sansa stays in the north), and then Jon kills Dany and completes that arc. The reddit theorist laid it out in more detail… I guess back in an earlier season there was reference to an earlier Targaryan king who conquered with his 2 sisters at his side.
Anyway, maybe the end will have some sort of variation of this theme.
How it should have gone:
Dany, “No matter how many lords turn against her, as long as she sits on the Iron throne, she can call herself queen of the seven kingdoms.”
Everyone else…“um…so?”
The end of the world has been prevented, and we’re back to politics and sex and wars over the Iron Throne, and I’m finding it hard to care. It all seems so anticlimactic (although it’s nice that the sex is consensual). Cersei is a terrible monarch, but Daenerys or Jon wouldn’t be much better, and the realm has survived plenty of incompetent or malevolent rulers. What’s one more?
But Missandei!?! She was one of my favorites.
With the direction the last episode took, it’s beginning to look like the series will end with fans disillusioned, dissatisfied, and disappointed. I certainly didn’t expect a feel good happy ending, but I did not expect so much illogic and plot contrivances. Expected to say, I don’t like it but I understand it. Did not expect to say, that’s just stupid. But maybe it will redeem itself in the last couple of episodes.
An interesting moment was when Dany commented to Jon on how the support Jon Snow has in the north of Westeros is like the support she had in Essos. In Essos, she was not focused as much on conquering the independent cities as on ensuring justice for the disempowered (from women being raped by Dothraki to all the slaves). She EARNED her followers there, winning their love, not just their fear.
(Given her exciting savior arc, it was disappointing when she became more about just raw power in these last two seasons. How did we get from the admirable Daenerys that Missandei described to Jon, to this tyrannical version?)
This will never happen, but it would be a cool bittersweet ending if she returned to a part of Essos and governed there.
My hope for the ending is, in Westeros, that they do away with the whole absolute monarch concept and go for a confederation of states/communities with a representative council. Jon, Sansa, or Tyrion all would be capable of leading that effort. Daenerys seems to have abandoned her goal of “breaking the wheel” and instead has begun envisioning herself as a “benevolent” (in her own eyes) authoritarian leader.
I agree - why wouldn’t Dany regroup before launching another battle front?
I think Jaime’s mission to Kings Landing is to kill Cersei. Maybe he thinks it’s the last kindness he can offer his sister.
You know what we didn’t see last night? The Golden Company. Where are they? My guess is heading north to destroy what’s left of the Army of the North. It really drives me nuts that they plan their strategy without thinking of what Cersei’s moves will be.
And Jon? Not giving Ghost at least a pat on the head was cold, man.
I’m clinging to this hope too. There’s not really anything left for her in Westeros.
I can see why Dany is so keen to invade KL. If she’d gone straight there in the first place with the Tyrells and Dorne, she’d probably be sitting on the throne. She’s lost almost everything (Jorah, Missandei, two of her dragons/children, pretty much all of her Dothraki and most of the Unsullied) and gotten nothing for it except contempt from judgmental northerners. No wonder she’s ready to burn stuff down.
Making Missandei die in chains was just wrong.
Agree 100%. That was so tone-deaf.
I wish, though, that Missandei would have grabbed Cersei and jumped off the wall with Cersei in her clutches. Game over!
I don’t think Cersei is pregnant anymore, at least not with Jaime’s baby. I think that’s why she got all evil looking when it was brought up. 2 weeks ago she was drinking wine…didn’t Tyrion put 2 + 2 together last season because she wasn’t drinking wine???
I think (hope) Jaime left to go kill Cersei.
I don’t think we’ve seen her drinking wine - holding a cup, yes - but not actually drinking.
In every other scene before her pregnancy, if she’s holds the wine she drinks the wine.
Because of Missandei I so want it to be Grey worm that takes Cersei down. I also wonder how/if the Mountain will play into it. Was Jon letting Ghost go have meaning? Jon kind of held hand over his heart in discomfort after a punch from Tormund. Perhaps a foreshadowing of how Jon will die? Isn’t Arya’s direwolf still out there? So many questions
Who is still on Arya’s list anyway? I haven’t heard her recite it in ages.
I think the only ones left on Arya’s list are Cersei and the Mountain. I’m pretty sure the Hound is off the list since he’s now fighting on their side. Everyone else on her list is dead, either killed by her or someone else, except for her father’s executioner, Ilyn Payne. But since he hasn’t been mentioned lately, I’m not sure about his status.
I think Jaimie, Cersie, Qyburn, Euron, Varys, and Bronn are all 100% dead. Everyone else is up in the air.
Varys and Bronn have turned sides too many times to trust.
I still think Jaime will kill Cersei but will it be him or Arya wearing his face? Or could it be Arya wearing Tyrion’s face? If she was sitting and holding a goblet no one could tell if she was a dwarf or not. This might happen, but I think it’s unlikely that Arya will be given the two biggest kills.
Maybe Jaime will get to KL and there will be a three way confrontation with Euron and Cersei. Whose baby is it? Euron might not even care but he will care that she lied to him and planned on using him. Maybe he’ll try to kill Jaime and Cersei will stop him. Who knows what happens next?
I don’t know how Clegane Bowl will happen but surely it will.
There was a prophecy in the book about a stone dragon being born at Dragonstone. Maybe they will armor the last dragon somehow? Would make for some cool CGI.
As for Dany, all this is setting her up to go crazy and burn it all down. I still think that she could temper her anger and take a more judicious approach. HBO is making these rules now - making us wonder about the invincibility of that last dragon and making us wonder about Dany’s mental state. My bet is on Jon Snow dying again (blow to the heart was foreshadowing), Dany survives and is pregnant with their child so the succession is secure and no need to worry about the Aunt/Nephew relationship. Varys betrays her and is killed.
I’m wondering what Missandei said on the wall. It sounded like drakon to me but my kids say it was dracarys.
I wonder where Arya is going since she told the Hound she wouldn’t be returning north. Back to Bravos and Jacquen H’gar?
Missandei said “Dracarys” on the wall, which seemed to me to be telling Dany to burn everything down.
I think Arya is on her way to King’s Landing to kill Cersei and either she thinks she’s not going to make it out alive and/or she wants to be there to help Jon once he gets there.
“Dracarys!” It was Dany’s signal to her dragons to light 'em up in previous episodes, a clear signal that she was declaring her allegiance to Dany and was unwilling to beg Cersei for her life.
I feel frustrated by the inconsistencies in Daenerys’ character. In the books and in the first several seasons of the TV show, Daenerys is a benevolent character. Her actions are meant to help the disempowered, and when she is stern, she is motivated by providing justice even more than by power.
She gives the former slaves a choice- you are free (moreover, I did not give you your freedom, because it was not mine to give you: it should always have belonged to you)— join me or not as you choose.
We hear her thought process in the books, and she cares about people, she wants to help them, and she has a conscience that is troubled by the consequences of choices she makes for purposes of justice (e.g., feeling bad about crucifying slave owners as an act of justice for their having crucified slaves).
Followers flock to her side. By their own choice.
The set up seemed to be that she would become a messiah-like figure.
Suddenly, in the last two seasons of the show, she has become a power-is-everything egomaniac. It does not even seem like the same person.
I’ve seen the change in Dany as gradual. The more power she gets, the more impatient she gets for that throne, and the throne has always been her main goal. Power corrupts, and we’ve seen that happen to her. Now she acts like anyone would act who had always thought something glorious was rightfully hers but then was suddenly told that she might not have it after all, and that she doesn’t really deserve it. She’s thinking that she went through so much just to potentially have it taken from her at the last second. She has never been in a situation where the people flock to someone else who is also kind and just, and that brings out her true colors. Too much has happened and she feels she deserves that throne, and that has always been her goal.
The Hound
The Mountain
Cersei
Ilyn Payne (if he’s even still alive)