Gay roommate...

<p>it’s threads like this that leave me unsettled. i’m especially appalled at those trotting out gay relatives and friends like show ponies as “proof” that they’re not “bigoted” or “homophobic.” “oh well i know someone who’s gay so obviously i don’t harbor any prejudices against anyone at all!” please.
re: the various combinations of gay/straight/male/female thrown out as some sort of litmus test to prove tolerance (i don’t really know, i wasn’t reading too closely, i got thrown off by the pseudo-intellectualism)…gender is NOT THE SAME as sexual identity. being a lesbian is not equal to being a straight male, in misplaced analogies or otherwise. furthermore, all of this talk of “possible attractions” and “sexual tensions” and whatnot is worthless, because honestly, attraction to someone else can happen at any time, regardless of the genders or sexual orientations of the parties involved (yes i am saying that straight people may have gay feelings or vice versa). are your kids really hot or something? why are you worried that everyone who happens to be attracted to their gender is going to try and get with them?</p>

<p>i know of many, many people who did not come out until well into college or beyond. maybe your child’s seemingly straight roommate is actually gay. maybe it’s YOUR kid who’s the gay roommate.</p>

<p>maybe i’m spoiled by my big city “liberal” upbringing (i am laughing as i write that because i “self-identify” as a conservative republican), but most kids i know are way more tolerant than this. judge people on their merits, not who they choose to sleep with. you and your kids would be well advised to do the same.</p>

<p>Columbiamom: thanks for responding! And I absolutely agree with you that it is best for an openly gay student and uncomfortable-with-the-situation straight student to opt out of the roommate situation with its resulting potential for distress to both parties. But what to do with the gay student who doesn’t post this info in the facebook and may only be out to family and very close friends-- who prefers not to tell new acquaintances his/her sexual orientation until he/she feels comfortable with them? But sooner or later during the term it is inevitable that the straight roommate is going to figure out the situation? How should that be handled?</p>

<p>Columbia Mom, I hear ya and can appreciate your different perspective. I do not think when two people are put together as roommates or in a class as lab partners or in any situation, that one is forcing themself on another. I think that both people need to enter the situation in an “accepting manner” and not prejudging. Perhaps prejudging is natural to some extent, based on experiences, but the tolerant thing to do is to give the person a chance to get to know them before thinking “I could never be friends, live with, collaborate with, talk with, etc.” While there might be a tendency for some to do that out of fear and experience, I think colleges, for example, are places that try to teach and encourage one to not prejudge or go by stereotypes, and to be more accepting of diversity. </p>

<p>I am glad you brought up the Jewish example. We are Jewish, so I can speak from that perspective. I would be very bothered if another kid did not want to room with (or other things) my child because she is Jewish and flat out rejected the idea based on her “identity”. That would really bother me. My kids have grown up in a community and schools where they are amongst just a few in the entire school who are Jewish. They have been accepted for the most part. There are people here who have never known another Jewish person. Questions abound. Insensitivities come up. Holiday time is difficult when everyone assumes we are celebrating as they do and the schools put my kids in uncomfortable situations where they try to stand up and raise awareness that no, we are not worshipping as they are and so forth. I won’t bore you with the examples that have happened over the years at school no less, who should KNOW better, that have been disconcerting. But anyway, it would be hard to take to have a potential roomie flat out reject rooming with my kid due to her religion. When you recalled your friendship with this other girl back in your college days, you said you had changed her perception (which I agree is great) of Jewish people, but not by “forcing” yourself on her. But you see, I don’t think when two people have to live together or work together, one is forcing themself on the other. They are put into a situation (say random roomie assignment, or co-worker in an office) and HAVE to let it “happen” as you say…that is the nature of being a tolerant person…letting it happen, not prejudging. These situations are ones that do force people to let go of stereotypes and judge based on experiences. But one person is not forcing themselves on the other. The situation might be “forced” by CIRCUMSTANCES. Let’s hope mature people can rise to the occasion. I think colleges encourage that and hope to teach that in building diverse student bodies and rooming and dorm life is a facet of that challenge. </p>

<p>In a previous job that I held as an elementary school teacher, a special educator, an older man, joined the staff one year. Right off the bat in the school year, he made a remark to me using an offensive word to refer to me, solely on the fact that I was a Jewish woman, based on stereotype and not on any experiences we had shared yet, and I chose to report it because we cannot allow this type of thing in the workplace or school. Indeed, the superintendent was aghast and this person was disciplined in his permanent file. It made for a very uncomfortable situation. </p>

<p>I realize there are MANY people who are prejudicial and have stereotype notions and fears and beliefs, but we all have to raise awareness one person at a time so that we break down those barriers. I am not saying a person should force themselves on anyone else. Of course not. But situations that are forced will occur and let’s hope that people attempt to work it out. Colleges are one place that espouse that school of thought, to my knowledge. That is why I can’t imagine a college saying, BEFORE the student moves in, “oh, you don’t want a gay roomie? a Jewish roomie? A born again Christian? An African American?, Sure, we’ll change you right away.” I EXPECT them to say, we want you to try it out and make the best of the situation and learn to get to know the person first. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>Susan- Thank you. I appreciate all your posts! The rules that colleges have regarding roommate assignments (and many other aspects of behavior) clearly don’t change the opinions and feelings of those who don’t agree with the world view you and I seem to share. In respect to those different views/opinions- and with the added self-interest of wanting a comfortable kid at college-- I really hope this discussion can now begin to focus on what would make those with the other opinions comfortable.</p>

<p>Then that is the world we should strive to create!</p>

<p>Mr. B: I agree but since it isn’t the world in which we live at present I am trying to be realistic about certain close to home issues. And really want to hear Columbiamom’s (and hopefully others; pm’s are nice but posts are better since all can read them) thoughts on how gay roommate issues - in the world in which we now live-- can most sucessfully be negotiated.</p>

<p>As the mother of a daughter with a gay roommate, I’ll try to answer some of your questions.</p>

<p>Do you want the student to let your child know about his/her orientation? If so, in what way?
I am happy that our daughter knows her roommate’s sexual orientation. Facebook was the ideal way for her roommate to share this information although I understand that your son may not want to state his sexual orientation in such a public setting.</p>

<p>Do you think they should be required to let the housing office know? No, they shouldn’t be “required” to let housing know but it would probably help when housing selects a roommate for your child. I believe that they put our daughter with her roommate because she demonstrated that she is open-minded in the essays that she wrote for her housing application.</p>

<p>Is it taking advantage of straight roommates if you know you are gay but aren’t out yet? No, I don’t think that it is taking advantage of a straight roommate but I always think that more information is better than less information. My son told me that he would be fine with a gay roommate but that he would like to know from the beginning. </p>

<p>Should the gay student request a single and avoid this issue altogether? No, the gay student should not request a single any more than my daughter, the ultimate slob, should request a single! I hope that they will learn to adjust to each other, to tolerate their differences and to amicably solve any problems that may arise.</p>

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<p>I think we are worrying about the wrong end- it isn’t the student who is uncomfortable- it is the parent.
I wonder if perhaps this is just part of a general letting go issue rather than the logistics of dorming.
Living in college is a chance to get to know people from other backgrounds and viewpoints than our own. We should embrace these opportunities rather than shy away from them.
afterall, our kids are adults, albeit young ones, and they have (mostly) good heads on their shoulders and can use these opportunties of potential conflict to gain skills that will serve them well in later life.
As a mother of a lesbian daughter, I am aware that not everyone lives in a community that is supportive of homosexuals. Both our city (Seattle) and the town she is attending school in ( Portland)are fairly safe places to live.
I can see if someone is coming from an area where gays & lesbians are looked at as deviant and where they may be harrased or stigmatized without recourse, that it would be quite a concern to imagine your child “tainted with the same brush” by proximity.
However this is how we rid the world of prejudice, by education, and knowledge.</p>

<p>Sorry… I forgot to mention that my reply #167 was in response to the questions posed in ALH’s post #156.</p>

<p>Ahl, as I see it, your son, realistically, has two choices. If he doesn’t feel ready to open up publicly about his gayness (either thru facebook or direct contact with his assigned roommate) he can let the chips fall where they may and hope to get a roommate who is not “troubled” by his sexual orientation. I don’t think this is being unfair to the prospective roommate as I understand that it’s an emotionally charged issue for your son. When the straight roommate does find out, let’s hope that they have established a good enough friendship that it won’t be an issue and that the straight roommate won’t feel as tho he’s been “deceived”. I, however, wouldn’t want my son to take this route because in this imperfect world, peoples’ reactions are so unpredictable. I wouldn’t want my son to take on this burden alone.</p>

<p>What I would encourage my son to do is indicate on his facebook page that he is gay. This will probably weed out the “undesirables”. Secondly, most schools have a gay/lesbian organization and I would definitely suggest that he make contact with them prior to arriving on campus. They will be a good source of advice as well as a built in support system once he arrives. Also, I’d advise him to checkout facebook to find other students at his school who are gay and make contact with them. These kids would also be a ready-made support system. </p>

<p>I don’t believe we should expect our kids to try to single-handedly change the world. It’s too heavy a burden for a teenager. Having a safe, friendly and nurturing environment as a teenager/young adult is what will give them the courage to try to change the world as an grown-up.</p>

<p>liland: Thank you so much for taking the time to thoughtfully answer my questions!</p>

<p>Columbiamom: You very correctly stated, “Don’t think for a minute that someone who’s gay isn’t aware that there’s discrimination in this world toward them.” Indicating you are gay in your facebook profile might weed out the “undesirables”, but then again it might make you an easy target for them. Do you have any thoughts on that possibility?</p>

<p>Gays, as ANY MINORITY will tell you, are going to be the object of some prejudice. That’s the way the world works now. Hiding it now and revealing his sexual orientation later won’t necessarily eliminate the prejudice, and by the same token, revealing it right off the bat won’t necessarily win your son any friends. There is just no escaping it.</p>

<p>I don’t believe that college kids are looking for targets (although you want to be sure your son will be going to a school that is “gay friendly”". I can see more of a problem if the roommate feels deceived by not knowing from beginning.</p>

<p>There are no easy answer. I would again urge him to at least contact the gay/lesbian organization at his school or at the schools he may want to attend and see what the climate is at those schools in terms of straight/gay relations. As I said before, going in with such a support system would be his most valuable tool.</p>

<p>It’s not going to be an easy road for your son, but I think he knows that already.</p>

<p>Alh, I do not think it is fair or reasonable for anyone to expect your son to “out” himself in the facebook if he is not comfortable with this. For some kids, their sexuality is a very important part of their identity, but for others, it is the last thing in the world that they want to be defined by. I don’t mean they are necessarily in the closet - just that it may not be the first thing they want others to know. </p>

<p>When a person has the label “gay” - others tend to approach him with that label in mind. But gay men and women are ordinary human beings, with a wide range of personalities and interests. For some, sexuality is a very private thing, and for many, while it is a given, it is certainly not the most important part of their lives. In fact, many young people - gay or straight - have not yet experienced sex or a significant romantic relationship with anyone. They may identify as gay - or straight – but sex really hasn’t happened for them yet. Others may not yet be sure, in the process of exploring their own sexuality, or may be bi-sexual. Every person wants to be appreciated for their unique personalities and interests - to ask that they write “gay” in a facebook is no more appropriate than insisting that students declare their religions or political leanings. </p>

<p>If a roommate is uncomfortable with his sexuality, that is the roommate’s problem. Why isn’t anyone asking/suggesting that the “uncomfortable” ones be required to declare their homophobic feelings in the facebook? Obviously, a gay kid would want to know if his prospective roommate is likely to insult him or beat him up over his sexual orientation - but no one suggests that face books to be used to announce their own biases. </p>

<p>So my answer in the end is simple: your son needs to be himself and use common sense in dealing with his roommates. Most kids who are “uncomfortable” will not have a problem once they find that their fears are not realized and that their gay roommate behaves pretty much the same as any other kid.</p>

<p>People “fib” all the time. SOme call it selective disclosure.We lie about our age, our weight, our income, our education, whether we like what we got for xmas or if we had a good time. I don’t think it is necessary to be upfront with everything right away.
My daughter attended K-12 private school along with some very wealthy families. It generally didn’t matter what our background was ( blue collar- low income) but I prefered to get to know people on their ( & my) own terms before that info was shared. Most of the time it wasn’t relavant.
I feel the same way about disclosing sexual preferences. Even with a roommate- unless you are expecting them to join in , in some way, it isn’t relevant. It shouldn’t be relevant if you are a vegan living with a hunter, just as long as they don’t expect you to skin & gut their kill.
If it is really offensive to you- you really aren’t going to necessarily know until you have been living with them for a while and they bring home the cats from anatomy to dissect. Deal with it when & if the problem occurs, not before the fact.
Compromise is key to living with someone- whether you picked your living partners or not.</p>

<p>As I said before, I agree that in a perfect world, compromise, negotiation and tolerance is the ideal; however, this isn’t a perfect world.</p>

<p>Columbiamom-- thanks again for answering my post. Sorry to take so long getting back as I had some obligations away from my computer. </p>

<p>"I don’t believe that college kids are looking for targets (although you want to be sure your son will be going to a school that is “gay friendly. I can see more of a problem if the roommate feels deceived by not knowing from beginning…I would again urge him to at least contact the gay/lesbian organization at his school or at the schools he may want to attend and see what the climate is at those schools in terms of straight/gay relations.”</p>

<p>I absolutely agree with your advice to be sure my son attends a gay-friendly school. And about contacting the gay/lesbian groups on campus. My very strong presumption (someone reading the board who is actually involved with a gay/lesbian organization may be able to confirm or deny this) is that no gay/lesbian organization would characterize as gay-friendly a school where the common sentiment insisted it was incumbent upon a gay student to make his orientation known to potential roommates to avoid having them feel deceived or made uncomfortable by this unanticipated roommate issue. Would you be willing to concretely define for me exactly what behaviours would make you consider a school not gay-friendly?</p>

<p>I don’t believe that everyone who would attend a so-called gay friendly school would necessarily be accepting of gays. I was thinking that a school like Brigham Young or some religiously affiliated schools which probably do not sanction gay/lesbian groups on campus would be the schools I would avoid. Those are the ones that I would consider not gay-friendly. </p>

<p>Also, I wasn’t saying that a gay student should absolutely make his orientation known to a potential roommate. I was saying that it would be possible that if he didn’t until later in the semester (or the roommate found out through other means), he MAY feel deceived and that could be cause for problems. My whole point is to try to eliminate possible, potential problems. I think whether he doesn’t reveal his orientation to his roommate up front or does, one cannot predict the outcome. Hopefully it will work out no matter what he does. </p>

<p>I am certainly no expert on the issue. I’m a mom just like you and have tried to raise my children with tolerance and respect for others. For what it’s worth, I asked both my kids what they would do if they were assigned a gay roommate. Both my son and daughter (son starting college next week and daughter in last year of law school) said they would definitely not opt out of the situation unless there was reason to later on. They both did say, however, they would want to know up front. </p>

<p>I wish you and your son well and hope that he finds a school where he can thrive both intellectually, socially and emotionally.</p>

<p>Just a note on FACEBOOK, my son says if the INTERESTED IN: MALE/FEMALE isn’t listed; one just assumes that the kid isn’t out with their homosexuality.</p>

<p>My sophomore year at college my roommate told me about a month into our rooming together she was bi-sexual AND interested in me. When I told her she didn’t have the body parts I required she was cool about it. She was probably the most feminine girl I’d ever known, very bright and one of the best female room mates I ever had. Later in grad school I because very good friends with the leading campus radical Lesbian. She told me that because I was such a jock, could fix anything mechanical and was so outgoing to her friends they just assumed … While this was in the late 70’s let me assure you none of this hurt my love/social life for one second. I am still in touch with my friend from grad school and she always says if she was ever interested in a man it would be my fabulous cook of a husband.</p>

<p>It still astounds me how preoccupied people are with what others do in private. Nearly 45 years ago I had the best kindergarten teacher in our small town the next year I had her roommate and life partner, who was the best first grade teacher. Parents fought to get their kids in these classrooms. Everyone wanted these teachers for their kids. I remember a few years ago there was a big open house for them, my mother said isn’t it sad that this community can celebrate these teachers without celebrating their commitment to each other. It still makes me sad.</p>

<p>Coumbiamom, Thanks again for responding. I agree with you that BYU is an excellent example of a school that is not gay friendly. I am not sure they even allow openly gay students. I seem to remember a few being expelled for their orientation.</p>

<p>Again I absolutely agree with you: “I don’t believe that everyone who would attend a so-called gay friendly school would necessarily be accepting of gays.” As we both know-- that is not the real world. But could you please help me understand exactly what behaviors (or prevailing campus culture) would prevent you defining a school as gay-friendly? And can you envision a school so gay-friendly that it might not be the gay student’s responsibility to “prevent possible, potential problems”?</p>

<p>And can you envision a school so gay-friendly that it might not be the gay student’s responsibility to “prevent possible, potential problems”?</p>

<p>I think that in a school with a widespread reputation as having a large gay community such as Smith and maybe Wesleyan (I’m sure there are others), there would probably be no need for the gay student to worry about averting potential problems. People who attend these colleges are aware of the large gay population and evidently aren’t phased by it. I do, however, believe that in our society/culture and in our lifetime, it unfortunately, has been and will be the responsibility of any minority (not just homosexuals) to do what they need to do to either gain acceptance or rise above it. </p>

<p>But could you please help me understand exactly what behaviors (or prevailing campus culture) would prevent you defining a school as gay-friendly? </p>

<p>Any campus that harrasses the gay community in any way or makes them feel unwelcome would, in my opinion, be considered a non gay-friendly school. You couldl find this out by speaking to the gay groups on campus.</p>