Generation of Nincompoops?

<p>[Are</a> we raising a generation of nincompoops? - Boston.com](<a href=“http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/09/27/are_we_raising_a_generation_of_nincompoops/]Are”>http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2010/09/27/are_we_raising_a_generation_of_nincompoops/)</p>

<p>Apologies to Boston metro area folks who have likely seen this; a friend emailed it to me this morning. Raises some issues that have been touched upon here from time to time, albeit obliquely in most instances.</p>

<p>Cheers</p>

<p>I enjoyed that article, Klements. Thanks.</p>

<p>It’s the lack of initiative to learn the things in the article that are troubling. When I got my smartphone it hit me. “You don’t have to know how to do ANYTHING anymore. You don’t even have to be able to THINK to have a completely functional life.”</p>

<p>“Let’s not end up like the Eloi,” I remind my kids of at least once a month.</p>

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<p>Any kid who has applied to prep school has this down after writing all those thank you notes! :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Probably the most enjoyable homeschool lesson we had was the “how to eat spaghetti without looking like an idiot” lesson.</p>

<p>Regarding the actual skills that todays kids are missing mentioned in the article, I still contend that they are so simple that it’s almost a non-issue. It is when the kids lack the confidence that they could figure out how to do it, or worse hand it off to someone else to take care of, that there is a problem. </p>

<p>My son learned how to tie a tie by looking at a video on youtube. Stupid that a young man didn’t know how to do it, smart that he used available resources to learn when needed. He didn’t ask me to pre-tie a dozen of them to slip over his neck and re-tighten (that leaves wrinkles) and he wouldn’t be caught dead in a clip on.</p>

<p>Balance. It’s all about balance.</p>

<p>Personally I think some of that is ridiculous on the part of the writer. If most cans have pull tabs and most fridges have ice makers, aren’t can openers and ice cube trays simply becoming obsolete? Perhaps not being able to figure it out is indicative of nincompoopishness, but could you blame them for not knowing it in the first place? If everyone communicates by email and you’ve never HAD to address a letter, what’s wrong with not knowing how to? In any case, I totally agree on things like pull-ups and velcro shoes. But then again, that’s the parent’s fault.</p>

<p>Is it the kids or the parents?</p>

<p>HIGH SCHOOL – 1959 vs. 2009 </p>

<p>Scenario 1:
Joe goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck’s gun rack.
1959 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Joe’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Joe.
2009 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Joe hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers… </p>

<p>Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.
1959 - Crowd gathers. Johnny wins… Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2009 - Police called and SWAT team arrives – they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it. </p>

<p>Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1959 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal’s office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again…
2009 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The school gets extra money from the state because Jeffrey has a disability. </p>

<p>Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1959 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2009 - Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse… Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy’s mom has an affair with the psychologist. </p>

<p>Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1959 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2009 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons. </p>

<p>Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.
1959 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2009 - Pedro’s cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro’sEnglish teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English. </p>

<p>Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.
1959 - Ants die.
2009 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents – and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny’s dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again. </p>

<p>Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1959 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing…
2009 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.</p>

<p>I hate this old bit. It’s been circulating on the internet for years.</p>

<p>Let’s look at a few alternatives…</p>

<p>Scenario 2:
Johnny has been picking on effeminate Mark every day and beats him up on a regular basis.
1959 - Mark goes to his teachers for help but they all tell him to toughen up and start acting like a man. The abuse continues and junior year Mark is found hanging in his closet.
2009 - Mark goes to a teacher and the school’s anti-bullying curriculum swings into effect. Although Johnny and Mark never become close, they come to respect each other and when Mark later becomes a famous actor Johnny brags to his friends that he knew Mark in high school.</p>

<p>Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1959 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal’s office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class where he’s too distracted to learn much. Jeffrey drops out in 10th grade to go to work at the gas station.</p>

<p>2009 - Jeffrey is tested for ADD and put on an appropriate dose of Ritalin. He becomes a calm, happy student who can finally do his work successfully. After college and graduate school Jeffrey returns to the classroom as one of the school’s most inspiring teachers.</p>

<p>Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1959 - Billy learns to hate and fear his Dad. When he has his own children Billy beats them.
2009 - Billy’s dad sits him down for a talk. Billy agrees to apologize to the neighbor and work off the damage. Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman. He and his father remain close.</p>

<p>Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1959 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock where they smoke a couple of Pall Mall unfiltereds. Both are dead of lung cancer within 20 years.
2009 - Mark goes to the school nurse who gives him a couple of Tylenols, knowing that aspirin can be dangerous to kids.</p>

<p>Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.
1959 - Pedro drops out and goes to work in the fields. No one expects any different because, after all, his name is Pedro.
2009 - Pedro is tested for dyslexia, which it turns out he has. He’s put into a special reading program and catches up to his peer. He becomes a US senator.</p>

<p>Scenario 7:
Johnny wants to take apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, put them in a model airplane paint bottle and blow up a red ant bed.
1959 - Johnny blows his hand off.
2009 - An alert adult sees Johnny and tells the police, who confiscate the firecrackers and put him into a diversion program. Johnny gets involved in the school’s robotics competition and becomes a skilled surgeon specializing in work with amputees.</p>

<p>Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary.
1959 - Mary hugs him to comfort him and send him in to see Father Flannigan, who gives him “special comfort”. Johnny reports the abuse but is whipped for telling lies about a man of God. Johnny becomes withdrawn and depressed and eventually repeats the cycle of abuse with the little boys in his neighborhood.</p>

<p>2009 - Mary sends him to the school nurse who patches him up and sends him out to play.</p>

<p>Made me chuckle… first laugh of the day… Change 1959 to 1986 and you have my High School experience</p>

<p>Fascinating contrast between two quite different perspectives! But does anyone really believe that either perspective has all the “right” answers?</p>

<p>I can’t say that the second is really my perspective, just that I hate these kinds of black-and-white internet scenario posts.</p>

<p>As the article in question pointed out, one of the jobs of the elders of each generation is to bemoan the state of the next generation.</p>

<p>While I do believe that kids were freer to play and explore when I was a kid I’m impressed by the kinds of things my kids and their friends can do independently. The crappy back yard plays of my childhood have been replaced by sophisticated computer video and sound editing. My 6th grade report on Peru (sources, the World Book Encyclopedia and 3 articles from National Geographic) would be laughed out of the classroom today. My kids’ use of technology outstrips anything I could do in my 20s.</p>

<p>So sure, lets go out and spend some time in the woods with our kids teaching them how to tie knots and start fires, but let’s not lose perspective on all the wonderful things our kids can do.</p>

<p>Climbing off my soapbox…</p>

<p>Once in awhile my guys tell me to chill, I take a deep breath, think back when I was a teenager and actually become very relieved.</p>

<p>Sue, I was thinking pretty much the same thing. In his public Middle School, our son was fortunate to be in a very strong accelerated language arts program. His 8th grade essays, fiction, and poetry put to shame my own writing in college - and I was considered a strong writer by others. On the other hand, his accelerated math program, employing the Chicago math system, left some surprising holes in his math foundation. He’s now having to dig himself out of those holes as a prep. Thankfully, he seems to be adapting well to Harkness and has excellent teachers.</p>

<p>Thank you Sue22!!! I have a very typical daughter who attends SPS. When she was ten we drove up to a mail box, she shrieked, “What do I do??” Obviously opening the mailbox and putting in a letter was beyond what I had taught her. My fault. She is wonderful and bright and has had an easier time in school than her younger brother. Her brother who is ADHD and Dyslexic attends the Eagle Hill School in Greenwich, CT. He would not have survived public school. We are fortunate to have a school like this in our area. There is a family from abroad that moved to Greenwich because of Eagle Hill. When we talk about HADES, Eagle Hill has them all beat. It is the most amazing school with the most amazing faculty and staff. Its mission is to teach children with language based learning disabilities. (Probably a term that was not recognized in the 1950s) Due to its stiff price tag of 54,700 for the day program I am very grateful that my son is able to attend. He is happy, loves school and wonders where he will go to High School some day. Every one who cares about education should see “Waiting for Superman” and ponder the public education in our country. Off my rant, but this issue is near and dear to me.</p>

<p>Well, our children may be airheads, but their parents are worse. We are blackguards. </p>

<p>After WWII, our fathers gave us everything the world had to offer, and we threw it away or hocked it on self-absorbing and wasteful pursuits personally and wealth destroying welfare/warfare adventures politically. We are now bankrupt financially and morally. If our children are idiots, they have us to thank. We have made a mess of our world. </p>

<p>What did our great educations get us? What did our “best and brightest” give us? $14 trillion in debt, 730 military posts in 130+ foreign countries, between 15-20% in real unemployment, a regression (depression) for years (decades?), 50% divorce rate, preventive wars, bailouts, federal employees making twice the income of private employees, 120 trillion in credit default swaps, plunging scores on intelligence tests, etc., etc., etc.</p>

<p>If this is the best our best can give us, bring on the nincompoops.</p>

<p>toombs, that’s horribly cynical - but also painfully true.</p>

<p>I just read the article and am interested in the book. I work with the teens at our church a lot , and I can vouch for having met several high school freshman who did not know how to use a mechanical (meaning you have to twist the little wing-thingys yourself) can opener. And I am training one of my twenty-something (age, not quantity) employees in basic cooking skills — we try to knock out one three course dinner a quarter. His lack of facility around knives and stoves when we started was shocking.</p>

<p>Who’s to blame? It’s a mix of parents and kids, I think. Parents who have done just a bit too much for their kids in some desire to “take care of them” and also I think many kids are less curious and perhaps a bit more lazy than we were back in the day. I’m generalizing of course, but think there’s a kernel of truth in these statements.</p>

<p>I liked the last line of the article: “They won’t grow up, unless you do your job of knocking down their hubris.” That itself is a tricky thing to negotiate…I’ve definitely alienated some current (and many former!) employees by expressing my horror about how ill prepared many are on what I consider essential life skills and facts.</p>

<p>FWIW, my daughter also read the article and was offended by the choice of skills the author categorized as “no longer useful”…she remarked “But I already know how to do all those things [add Roman numerals, write cursive, look things up in a paper thesaurus…” ;-P</p>

<p>Thanks for the laughs (Ops and Sue22). Best chuckle I’ve had in a while (especially when reading the updated version).</p>

<p>As for skills - I do think our kids are more equipped in some ways for the modern world than we are. Yep - they are a bit “slow” when asked to perform basic tasks that were necessary when we were growing up, but they are in fact faster on technology, and more saavy about social media as a means of communication.</p>

<p>Still - I did read that Michaelangelo advocated the arts for local villagers because he knew that manual dexterity was needed in order for those people to be skilled workers. We caught that early when realizing that our daughters could blast through computer learning programs, but faltered when putting pen to paper. So we had to make course correction early.</p>

<p>Boarding school - as someone stated - forces a lot of students to learn the fine art of mailing a letter (or in our case, cajoling the Fedex guy to stay open while we stuffed envelopes). It also forced them into “college admissions” mode and all that goes with it, early.</p>

<p>Still - I can attest that I ran a Girl Scout troop at an upscale parochial school and was appalled at how few skills those girls possessed. The most wealthy kids were the ones least equipped to do anything beyond mooch off Daddy, the nanny or the maid. Sigh. The trend continued elementary through high school. Cook? Nope. Sew? Nope. Take a bus or figure out a route to a destination? Nope. (want to guess how many of those girls had parents or “service” staff doing their homework?)</p>

<p>My girls sewed their own Halloween costumes. Many troop peers took Mom or Dad’s credit card down to the local (professional) costume store where rentals run $200 for a weekend.</p>

<p>Sigh.</p>

<p>Those nincompoops will be running the world one day (or married to a nincompoop who is). Be afraid. Be very afraid. :-)</p>

<p>Chill parents. Don’t try to take us back into the stone age. You are jealous that we are so technologically advanced and savvy. You may be in for a bigger shock when we make robots to do more of our chores in future. Do check out the AI lab at MIT. :D</p>

<p>You mean Cole Porter DIDN"T have it right when he wrote “Anything Goes”?!</p>

<p>Don’t worry too much about the younger generation, even if they prove to be ones that finally take down the U.S. from its long held lofty perch, there is a number of other rising countries only too eager to take its place…</p>

<p>Then we can learn to really live and enjoy life for itself just like another former world power did – the Romans and by extension the Italians. Maybe then we will finally get a clue about what good cooking really is!!! ;)</p>

<p>I read this book a few years ago. The primary thesis of this uneven book, as I recall, is that computers, ipods and other electrical communication devices alter behavior dramatically and, as a rule, detrimentally. Well, there should be no surprise that technology changes human action. The debate is whether or not the digital age is a plus for us, especially the young. (I tend to think that technology, of whatever stripe, lessens deep and vital human bonds and discourse, for whatever that is worth. “We don’t ride the railroads, the railroads ride us.” ~ Henry David Thoreau). </p>

<p>The bigger and more important point that Bauerlein expresses, I think, is that years ago schools in the US of A instilled a modicum of self-doubt and a capacity for self-criticism. Today, the rage in education is the sense that every child is great and special. Such emphasis leads to narcissitic children who can’t accept criticism and turn disappointments into the fault of others and never their own. Books like “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” and “Wuthering Heights” become irrelevant to those living in Facebook and You Tube. Baurlein thinks that we are suffering from a national pathology where happiness and confidence are more important to our children than achievement and competency; the Digital Age enhance self-absorption not self-development, he maintains. As proof of his thesis, he cites our plunging scores in math and science internationally but our firm hold on the top spot in the world in confidence. </p>

<p>I, for one, think that the modern world leads us to be extraordinaily individualistic, if not at times spoiled children. The Digital World just increases both our separation from others and our high regard for ourselves. Maybe the coming(present?) collapse of the American economy will force us, for better or worse, out of our dreams of self-sufficiency and self-importance and back into a world where community, social skills and manners, the art of personal communication, cooperation, family, tradition, accepted wisdom, place and knowledge of history are critical to our survival and joy of living.</p>

<p>Well said toombs61. Just curious if you have any ideas and solutions to fix the perceived problems?</p>

<p>There are so many problems and so little time. We are in the midst of the greatest economic disaster since the '30s, if not ever. As the financial collapse continues, save what assets you have by buying as much gold, silver and oil as you can. Right now, there is little we can do to save the Republic. Do what you can to save yourself and your family. Our fathers gave us the world in 1945. Since the '60s, we have continuely thrown it away by constantly feeding the welfare/warfare state. The chickens are coming home to roost. Do all you can to save your eggs.</p>