This seems like silly legislation to me. The universities are probably dependent, in some part, on OOS tuition. In order to maintain their OOS tuition income, the universities could adjust their admissions policies to easily circumvent the law. My guess is that, if this senator is smart, he knows that, and is just trying to garner votes from constituents who don’t know any better.
GT will be just fine. It’s a world-class school in a growing city/state. Applications won’t fall off a cliff. There will still be a line of kids apply from OOS and overseas. MIT and CMU have acceptance rates approaching 5% for CS/Engineering. Their app numbers don’t drop.
One day when demographics change and the number of in-state applicants drop they would loosen the OOS/International limits.
For CA kids being turned away in-state is it that there are so many kids and not enough seats? Or do they have seats and they go to OOS/International students? Just asking.
It doesn’t seem like CA helps in-state students much. Is that why I see so many CA kids going OOS on CC threads?
I think in Georgia’s case they have the seats, they’re just admitting OOS/International students. That would sting a lot, especially if I could go in-state for very low $ with Zell.
Good luck next year. I hope you D21 gets into UC schools if that’s where she wants to go. The good news is that there are good CS schools pretty much in all states and all flavors.
So OOS money is more important than a politician supporting the people in his state who elected him to serve their interests? The same constituents who pay state taxes to support a state funded public school where they would like to send their kids.
First of all, the actual number of OOS students receiving merit scholarships is very small so I would bet OOS people will still apply EA to have a shot at scholarships and the same type of candidates getting them now will still be getting them. More will now just be deferred to RD. If the actual number of number of admitted OOS student remain similar (for EA and RD), I don’t see much change in the number of applications total.
Last years acceptance rate for OOS EA was ~14%.
High stat OOS kids apply EA to MIT, Caltech, UofM, GT, and a couple of others. It’s a big reason for the jump in applications the last few years. Pushing those kids to RD will mean a lot of them have decided to go elsewhere. Also, I think GT and UGA are smart to add higher stat OOS kids because it raises the academic level of the school and a lot of those kids stay instate after graduation.
The legislature needs to work on raising the academic level of instate kids and increasing the number of pathways for transferring into the flagships. Make it hard to get into GT from OOS because the instate kids are so strong.
Well, OOS money from well qualified applicants is generally what keeps a lot of state universities afloat these days. I suppose if constituents would rather have no university, or higher tuition, maybe their interests are more important.
@amsunshine I keep hearing that but am skeptical. GT has an endowment over $2 Billion and growing and gets over $1 Billion per year in research grants yet they still need a few more OOS students to cover costs?
Yes, the number of those exceptional OOS who get merits is very small, and yes they will still apply in the future.
But the majority of those a notch below exceptional will look elsewhere. Those are the students who will help raise the school’s profile.
@AlwaysMoving GT and UGA will still get high stat OOS kids. The in-state kid in the article had a 35 ACT. Can’t get much higher. High stats are high stats whether instate or OOS.
Moving OOS kids to RD won’t hurt yield. Most high stat kids aren’t deciding that early anyway unless they ED to MIT or CMU in which case they aren’t going to GT anyway.
However I always agree that improving secondary ed is valuable.
By interests if you mean being able to send my kid in state for $0 or small amount versus being forced OOS or private and paying $100-200k then yes. I do want him looking out for my interests.
@chmcnm He got a 35 on the ACT but his grades were well below even the 25th percentile of kids accepted at UGA early. UGA clearly states on its blog it values grades over what you do for 3 hours on a Sunday. Also, he was not rejected but deferred. A kid at our school a couple of years ago was rejected from UGA and Tech with a 36 on the ACT because his grades weren’t good enough. Also there is no indication in the article of whether that 3.8 is weighted or unweighed, or whether he was taking grade level classes or higher rigor AP/DE. He was also from a highly populated Atlanta suburb. Kids in Charlotte have the same issue with UNC but arguably worse (kids that get in are generally in the top 10 percent of the class or higher). Too many factors involved here.
Also, there are lots of other schools in Georgia that take the Zell other than UGA and Ga Tech. I don’t believe we should lower the admission standards for either school to allow more in state students in if they cannot cut it academically. That is setting them up for failure.
As of now the state is only funding 18% of GT’s 2020 budget and that percentage has been dropping. Not sure how that stacks up with other state schools but I would guess they need that OOS money to keep operating at their budget levels.
@amsunshine “To be fair, though, UIUC has one of the most competitive CS programs in the country.”
UIUC has a roughly 40% CS admit rate. It’s a few years old though.
https://www.ivyachievement.com/uiuc-data-india-cs/
If you have a different link, I’d like to see it.
The general ASEE engineering stats say roughly 44% admit rate for engineering overall.
Thanks.
@Greymeer I’m actually just going on the ranking of the CS major, conversations with other parents I know and frankly, the anecdotal results from the thread here on CC about EA results. It’s a competitive program. I’m sure you can check the rankings if you like. Multiple applicants this year were apparently rejected with perfect or near perfect stats. But at any rate, your citation to a study about applicants from India confuses me. Perhaps this discussion should be for another thread?
@Greymeer According to the following link from April 2019 it puts UIUC CS acceptance at 15% now.
https://junilearning.com/blog/getting-into-an-elite-computer-science-school/
That is about the same as GT CS was last year.
This might sound stupid, but I am going to ask it anyway.
Are the financial aid applications only open to admitted students or can anyone with a GT account access them?
For example, I accessed a summer financial aid application at this site: https://finaid.gatech.edu/summer-lsss-disbursements and went straight to the application.
I am wondering if different people get outcomes/hyperlinks.
@Greymeer Here’s a link for your convenience. https://junilearning.com/blog/getting-into-an-elite-computer-science-school/
What time will the decisions be out on Saturday, Jan 18?
10am EST