Have you had a midlife marriage crisis like this? If so, how did you solve it?

<p>Northstarmom, I feel for your difficulties. Please forgive me if I repeat something others have said, but I skimmed the previous posts and did not read all in detail. I think I would assess if there are any changes that could be made probably with a third party intervention, but I get the sense that you have been open in your communication with your husband about what you would like and there has not been a change in him or the relationship.</p>

<p>If this relationship is not satisfying enough, why stay in it? He is who is is or has become who he is – and the same with you. There doesn’t have to be a bad guy to say this doesn’t work well enough any more. People change, life circumstances change and marriages change. Let’s look at it from the direction of why are you staying in a relationship that is so unsatisfying?</p>

<p>Perhaps the only thingsI would think about personally would be the impact on the kids. Can they understand that two people grow apart? Would you be at all estranged from them for separating? </p>

<p>I would appreciate your thoughts if you care to respond.</p>

<p>Re Posts 315 and 318: Pondering this (and it is sad to read). I have some other thoughts I’d like to put down, but as jym626 wrote, they would not be appropriate for a CC PG rating. </p>

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<p>Sometimes, and I would even say usually, it is good to stay in a marriage which is not satisfying enough because it can get better again. How to know which marriages can get better, and which cannot? There is the dilemma.</p>

<p>I think that at “our” age, meaning the age range of most of us who have kids in college or in their twenties, there is a big chunk of time in our not-too-distant future in which physical intimacy won’t be much of an issue. I don’t know exactly when that is supposed to happen, but I think there must be a lot of time at the end of people’s lives when they retire from that sort of thing (I am afraid to learn otherwise). With whom do we want to ride off into the sunset?</p>

<p>I think as we age physical intimacy will probably still be part of the equation for most people, but so will having someone to take care of us if we need a hip replacement (as I just did.)</p>

<p>So true, mythmom. And I think most husbands are better with helping in concrete ways. </p>

<p>You know someone asked about sex drive after menopause. NSM - while I don’t envy your situation, I do envy your desire to have sex. Since menopause, my sex drive has disappeared along with my waist. Now, I could come up with a laundry lists of reasons why it is DH’s fault, but it is truly a hormonal thing. The desire is just not what it was before. I wish it were. So, I have to admit that as I have read this thread, I have thought about how often I am not responsive to my spouse. It has nothing, nothing, nothing, to do with him. It just isn’t high on my agenda. If I am reading a good (maybe not even a very good) book - THAT seems more compelling.</p>

<p>Anyway - NSM, I need to make sure that I do not hurt my spouse. Thank you for that gift.</p>

<p>I just want to say thank you for everyone for this whole thread. Lots of room for thinking.<br>
NSM, hugs and thanks for being frank</p>

<p>NSM; this lengthy and honest thread is a testament to how highly esteemed you are on this forum. You should know this, if ever you are in doubt as to your worth. I think you have helped many of us by posting your original post…who would have thought! Although I am still struggling to find my own solution, it has helped a lot to read others’ points of view and suggestions. No-one has all the answers but collectively we might have some. Thank you to everyone…</p>

<p>It is so comforting to know that many of us in long term marriages have contemplated the same things. I often wonder if my mom ever thought about things the same as I in regards to her own marriage. I know that if I had to do it over, I don’t think I would. There is a lot of sacrifice and compromise and I don’t think I could ever do it again. Once is enough. I’m not opposed to a committed relationship,and I love my husband, he is a good husband, but knowing now what I do, marriage can challenge your essence and spirituality. You do lose a part of yourself and it is hard to get it back. Married now for almost 27 yrears, I do miss the spontaneity of youth, the playfeulness, the adventure of your whole life ahead of you, exploring things together, not a care in the world. The wonder, the romance, the excitement. It does change as your relationship matures. Family members get illnesses, die, friends move on, financial worries, children grow up, all the stresses that can change a relationship. Somehow I suspect that I always long for the older times, and I compare everything to that and long for what was and I don’t really think it is a way to live. I look over and see my husband falling asleep on the couch, balding, gray hairs and all and I love him, yet I wish he was cuddling with me on the couch. Something we did without thinking years ago.
Relationship changes, we just have to either accept the change or make a change. That is the hard question.</p>

<p>“there is a big chunk of time in our not-too-distant future in which physical intimacy won’t be much of an issue.”</p>

<p>I had a friend who was 82, who was still having sexual intimacy with her 80-year-old boyfriend. He’d come over to her house every afternoon for some kind of sexual delight.</p>

<p>Another friend is 71, and is engaged to a man her age, and she says they have sex, and are compatible.</p>

<p>Both women were taking hormone replacement.</p>

<p>I’ve been following this wonderful, emotional, enlightening, depressing, uplifting, rollercoaster thread since the beginning, and I have to say that something keeps nagging at me.</p>

<p>If you look at the statistics, men (and women) who don’t want to have sex are USUALLY either physically unable or cheating.</p>

<p>I love that there are people on this thread who appreciate their hard-working spouses who work so hard that they are always too tired to have sex… But… Well, I hate to be a wet blanket, but it’s always so obvious from the outside looking in.</p>

<p>NSM, you give so much to the cc community. I am sending you hugs. I just want to be sure that you’re not giving your H the benefit of the doubt. I would just want to be sure your H is NOT cheating before you waste your time trying to solve a problem that it’s not.</p>

<p>Does he have opportunity? Is he gone a lot? Does he talk/spend a lot of time with anyone in particular? Have you ever checked his phone.email.texts? I hate to be so suspicious, but where there’s smoke there’s usually fire, and a man who doesn’t want sex and who doesn’t care that he doesn’t want sex enough to see a doctor raises a huge red flag for me. If my H lost his sex drive, he’d be at the doctor’s office in less than two clicks. </p>

<p>Cheating doesn’t mean he doesn’t love you BTW. This is just another sign of many of the problems brought up here. It’s not a judgement. Just another approach to the problem.</p>

<p>I wanted to add also that I know zero men who are “too busy” for sex. I’m not saying they don’t exist, but I’m just going with the numbers. Rule out the statistically obvious first.</p>

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<p>Hurtlocker, that is your husband. It is not every husband. Mine would not go to a doctor. Also, despite what you say, not every man avoiding sex is cheating or interested in cheating. I am certain my husband has never cheated. He has his faults, but that is not his bent and just not in him. I know where he is most of the time, but more importantly, in his case, the same things that contribute to his withdrawal in marriage would also prevent him from engaging with someone outside of marriage. As for being too busy for sex, I’d imagine that some busy people are also tired and fatigue can certainly lead to a decreased desire for sex. Weren’t most of us less interested in sex in those sleep-deprived early months of parenthood? It’s Maslov’s hierarchy of needs: if you’re exhausted sleep is going to bump up that need on the hierarchy ahead of sex. </p>

<p>For many people good sex requires that they feel okay physically: for instance people in chronic pain are less likely to feel sexual, people who are very fatigued or have something else interfering with their feeling of well-being. Some men who have had heart attacks or open-heart surgery become very anxious and avoid sex for fear it will trigger a heart episode. There are a number of necessary medications that can impact desire. For some people, a high level of anxiety over anything is going to interfere with being sexual. It’s difficult, for instance, for a man to go to bed worried about the fact that he doesn’t have a job and doesn’t know if he can keep his house and then be interested in sex. And depression can interfere with sexual desire; a lowered libido is one sign of depression as is a general loss of pleasure in activities that used to be pleasurable – the catch 22 is that antidepressants which can effectively treat the depression can also kill the libido. And none of this gets into more complicated psychological issues – prior abuse, complicated intimacy issues, grief, etc. Some people can and will have sex under almost any circumstance, but for some people the stars all need to be lined up physically, psychologically and logistically.</p>

<p>Agree with mimk6. My husband would not go to the Doctor either.
A little known fact too, is that Lipitor can cause ED, as well as betablockers. Many men in the 50 age group are on these combination medications and are not even aware that this happens. The drug companies do not like to advertise this as a side effect, but it is very real. I am aware of some of my girl friend’s husbands avoid intimacy all together because of performance anxiety. So rather than cuddle or just doing things that are intimate without sex they avoid it all together. They ende up immersing themselves in their work and their hobbies to avoid facing a problem.
It is a real problem that does not get addressed as it should.</p>

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<p>Link? I’d like to see those statistics, because they do not at all reflect what I have heard, for men and especially for women.</p>

<p>I’ve also heard, though I’m less certain of it, that male cheaters generally keep on having sex with their wives.</p>

<p>NSM, I could have written your original post, or something like it, five years ago. I’m a regular poster on CC who’s writing in under another name to protect my privacy. My husband and I were around 50 years old and had been in a relationship for 32 years, married for 30. He was/is an excellent father, internationally-known, workaholic tenured academic at a research university (as am I), beloved by his students, self-critical perfectionist. There was no evident cause of conflict in our marriage. We have always been intellectually very compatible and supportive of one another’s careers, and share values on money, religion, politics and other matters. However, our once-healthy, apparently joyful sex life had gradually dwindled to practically nothing. My tentative broachings of the issue were met with extreme, almost panicky defensiveness. My attempts to seduce via a cute new haircut, a sexy nightie, romantic dinners, etc. had no discernible effect. I have never been “modelicious” but I am slim (5’6", 120 lbs) and in good shape for my age. I wondered whether my husband was a closeted gay man, but he did not seem interested in guys, either. He just worked very hard, went to the gym and lifted weights, and read books late into the night.</p>

<p>One evening five years ago, my husband finally confided in me that he had been incestuously abused as a child, for years, by his much-older brother. He was about 8 when the abuse started, and his brother, who was living at home, was in his mid-20s. His brother was entrusted with his care by his parents, whose profession required them to work nights. The abuse continued into my husband’s early teens, when, he said, he suddenly noticed that he was now almost his brother’s size. So he told him he would kill him if he ever touched him again. The abuse stopped. My husband never told a soul. Never sought therapy either. He just threw himself into accomplishments like getting straight As in school, winning musical performance and writing competitions, and the like.</p>

<p>With my encouragement, my husband started seeing a therapist. He was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and for awhile took an antidepressant. He found the conversations with his therapist extremely difficult, but helpful. He continued therapy weekly for about two years. Meanwhile, I read everything I could find on childhood sexual abuse. My first impulse, when my husband told me about this, was anger that he had kept this from me for so long. However, I learned that this kind of extreme reticence/self-repression and shame is often typical of abuse survivors.</p>

<p>My husband learned from his therapist that such “buried” problems often return in midlife. The natural sexual enthusiasm of youth can mask them, but they re-emerge as years go by and testosterone goes down.</p>

<p>I wish I could say that we now have a wonderful sex life. We don’t. We have a loving, affectionate relationship, however, and my husband is much more at peace with himself. Once I was no longer feeling personally rejected, I found virtual celibacy much easier to bear. I now have to take medication for a life-threatening illness, one side effect of which is to depress libido, so I don’t have much sexual desire myself these days. I also have tremendous respect for my husband for making a success of his life despite a situation that would have crushed many people. </p>

<p>Anyway, NSM, you might consider the possibility that there is something in your husband’s past that you don’t know about, and that might be influencing his behavior. It might not be something in the marriage at all.</p>

<p>I think one should not dismiss what hurtlocker is saying. These last few years have been a real education finding out things about couples and individuals I never would have guessed, and I consider, rather considered, myself really good at getting insights into people’s true character. And the dishevelled, disinterested man everyone thought must be ill and/or depressed was in the mix - turns out he had a 50-year-old Brazilian mistress that he met at one of the soccer events that seemed to be the only thing he exhibited even the slightest amount of energy for. It is hard to mention this possibility because it is hurtful, but I am certain hurtlocker did so not to add to NSM’s pain, but only to make sure all options are examined before she wastes her emotional energy on the wrong issue.</p>

<p>but where there’s smoke there’s usually fire</p>

<p>not to downplay anyones experience- but I had the impression there wasn’t any smoke.
:(y
At least with my H it was really apparent when he was cheating ( it was before we were married- we were living together- but then I moved out when I found out)</p>

<p>He started doing things that he hasn’t done before.
Blow dry his hair for example- that was actually hilarious and so obvious that everything else just fit into place ( it was with someone he worked with)
He was also very solicitous- because he * already knew* he was being duplicitous, so he apparently could afford to be really nice to me.
( Which unfortunately sent me into suspicion mode for years after)</p>

<p>I don’t buy too tired. I’m in a relationship with someone who many weeks in in CA, NY and Europe getting minimal sleep. He’ll turn up Friday night pretty darn exhausted. By monday morning our intimacy has revived him.</p>

<p>Men not interested in sex, in most cases, have emotionally checked out. If they wanted sex and saw ther drive/ability in decline they would be hot footing it to a doctor for a cure. In a prior relationship my bf had low testerone, it freaked him out until he got it figured out and cured.</p>

<p>I don’t think it works to extrapolate from our own knowledge of a few men and then make generalizations about others.</p>

<p>For instance, I know of men (husbands of friends) whose libidos have decreased because of antidepressant or BP meds. These men have accepted this as a corollary of treating a more serious issue.</p>

<p>Your men’s mileage may vary :)</p>

<p>* don’t think it works to extrapolate from our own knowledge of a few men and then make generalizations about others.*</p>

<p>True- I was just sharing to give perspective of one case-- but this</p>

<p>If they wanted sex and saw ther drive/ability in decline they would be hot footing it to a doctor for a cure</p>

<p>I don’t think so.
In my experience, men in general unless they are Felix Unger, don’t go to Drs.
If they are depressed- they are not going to be able to " get it up" to even make an appt.</p>

<p>I can’t really guess why a particular man is uninterested, even if I knew him IRL, it would be hard to say- men are a mystery. But I emphatize with the situation so much and wish I had an easy answer.</p>

<p>To use my own experience again, my own H, has a lower sex drive than I do. But our youth and the newness of the relationship carried us for many years- unfortunately life happens- and once you get into the habit of not having it- it can be really hard to break.</p>

<p>Take a look at the Kinsey study I posted earlier in the thread, only 1% of married men said they were not having sex. Sorry, sex is too central to men in general for me to believe what you see as my generalization isn’t substantially true.</p>

<p>Now I do agree many men and women are impacted by hormone decline later in life, but there’s easy help for both sexes.</p>