HKU or HKUST

<p>Hi guys!</p>

<p>I am really thinking about applying to HKU for the next academic term in BBA. What would my chances be? Is it too crazy to think about being admitted?</p>

<p>I’m from Mexico and graduated high school here in a Catholic boys’ school (not IB, but a very prestigious school)
GPA 3.0 (not good at all, I know!)
SAT 1420/1600 scale. (local college board-made Spanish version of the SAT for the local universities w/o writing version). Would take the official one in October
SAT II subject. Will take them in later this year in Japanese, World History and Math
TOEFL 647/670
Fluent in Spanish, English, and Japanese. Conversational Portuguese (in less than a year I’ll complete the full advanced course)
Studied and worked in part time jobs and as a translator in Japan for a total of 2 and a half years
Had my own Mexican food sales business from 2007 until early 2012
Overcame stuttering after years of trying different methods (I don’t know if it even means anything)
Not so much volunteer (even though I’ll get involved since this summer)</p>

<p>Another thing is that I am a little bit old. I’m 22 now. I went to Japan as an exchange student in high school and graduated in Mexico after coming back and entered a local university here, was a year here and then going a year and a half on university exchange to Japan and coming back only to find out that I think I’ve grown and am up for new challenges. My school now isn’t challenging enough. My first year in university was not so good due to a little bit of slacking so a possibility of transferring is out of the question (3.0 GPA). So after giving it a lot of thought I decided with my family that I want to start over and apply to some universities abroad, (HUK, NUS, Carnegie Mellon Qatar, etc…) of course, only if I have a realistic chance</p>

<p>I don’t know if it’s too late, my GPA is not good for what I want to do.</p>

<p>i hope i can get in either one of them :frowning:
(just a normal secondary student in HK)</p>

<p>but u have good results in public exam. u can still give a try to apply HKU.</p>

<p>@annababy
Oh, that’s kinda disappointing. But how do you know? I tried calling the faculty but I can’t seem to get through</p>

<p>Hi, Nanini and Revealspec. I will try to organise these into points.</p>

<p>Academics:
Fortunately, I happen to have a friend who majors in yours as well. She was a top student and has maintained her scholarship here at HKUST. I daresay she is very hard-working as hell. However, her results have been, according to her, less than stellar, which I think is not true at all given her major!</p>

<p>My point is that there is a lot of competition. In your case, even if you specify a major at this point of admission, this is not guaranteed. You are finally allocated to a major based on the result of Year 1, which is to say that you may or may not get the desired major due to the competition. </p>

<p>Having brought up this point, you may think that competition is not really a problem as long as you determine to do your personal best and that you are satisfied. However, HKUST courses mostly employ relative grading - the bell curve. Due to the keen competition, they cannot have grade inflations, can they? Even if you score 40/50 in the midterm examination, which is 80%, you can be but a mere ‘average’. But, then again, I have a friend who scores 50/100 and gets an ‘A’ because the mean is 30 (Engineering is fiendishly difficult. I admire those people; they fix the problems of the world). Well, you get a dosage of reality. It depends on how you view yourself. You may have been the best in your secondary education, but coming here you get some retrospection. It depends on how much you can accept the relative grading, or else, you become obsessed over the mean, the SD, the statistics, but sadly, not the learning process nor the acquisition of skills. It is disappointing that the best effort put in may not come to fruition as you might expect. The worst part is you cannot afford to ignore it because it has repercussions on your chance of exchange programmes, graduate schools, getting internships, and job offers. The academic culture can be overwhelming, so brace yourself.</p>

<p>Professors:
You can check the websites of your respective departments for the list of professors and what research or courses they are teaching. They have, more often than not, impressive profiles. But, that does not mean they can teach well.</p>

<p>Class:
Lectures, mostly. Tutorials exist in some classes. Classic Powerpoint slides are uploaded on an online platform ‘LMES’. You have some really sloppy ones or good ones from the lecturers. Science and engineering is mostly rote learning with occasional literature review, group presentations and tutorial assignments. Business and humanities are analytical and have many presentations!</p>

<p>Class Schedule:
You arrange your timetable so that you have the best combinations possible. This involves Add/Drop and Queueing for classes which are popular due to grades and/or timing. The earliest starts at 900 which is quite late, I think. The latest so far ends at 2130. People try to arrange the best combination so that they either start early and finish by 1200 or they start at 1200 and end at 1930. Another thing is day-off. You would want a day off on Friday on Monday. </p>

<p>Science and Engineering: You have laboratory sessions. So, forget about ending early, but look forward to day offs on days which are not your sessions.</p>

<p>Homework and Assignments:
Science and Engineering: laboratory reports. They try to train you in scientific thinking and report writing, but alas, it is more of the latter. Reports are often subjected to plagiarism detection e.g. Turnitin.com because students have past-year, soft copies which sometimes date back ten years. Students passed their work to the next generation all the time, and no, the department does not make modifications to these laboratory manuals. Honestly, I do not think this helps you with critical thinking. Your paraphrasing skills involving synonyms, language syntax, and word count approximation, however, will have been honed to new heights. You are the epitome of a living thesaurus.
Also, you have LANG classes. They are ’Language for Science/ Engineering Students’ classes. There are two kinds of classes: one for the more English proficient students and, of course, the less proficient.</p>

<p>Business: Projects, projects, projects! The highlight of your Business life. You will have this infamous class called ‘LABU’, Language for Business Students. It is not language per se. You have a case to analyse and present solutions. My friends were driven nuts. Naturally, you have to handle group dynamics and deadlines.</p>

<p>There are dress codes, so people here often wear suits. A bit of digression: it may be that Hong Kong is a business city or the colonial legacy which makes everyone dons their black suits and stockings as if they are called to the Bar. You will see that committees of clubs are all dressed up like this during promotional weeks during which they cheer, shout and stomp as though they are in some sports events. The academic building does shake… lecturers complain because they cannot teach, and there is traffic obstruction. As a result, they set up Decibel monitoring – and it does exceed the safety limit. </p>

<p>So, presentations… some students will rehearse many times and late at night. Some do not even sleep and go straight to class the next morning. I tend to notice this trend amongst local students (no offence! Mind you, I stay up overnight to finish assignments too). They can be quite concerned with perfection, delivering the lines to the utmost precision of what they have been reciting. ‘Good morning/afternoon/evening. Today, I will talk about… ’. I do know a guy who uses Photoshop to create personal slides. Perhaps a bit of spontaneity would save the day… </p>

<p>Finance, Accounting, Economics, and GBUS (global business) are one of the more taxing combinations. So, they are considered the elites amongst the Business students. I think they permeate some kind of aura. If you have made peace with this truth, God bless you. The peasants are Operation Management (OM), Marketing, and Information Systems (ISOM). As much as I would like to disagree with labels, I have seen the difference first hand: the number of examination papers and the kind of assignments they have are a lot less. </p>

<p>Most Business classes involve class participations, so people raise their hands to answer questions all the time. You may have been a little reserved during your secondary years, but this is the time to assert yourselves. I think it is a good way to train your confidence.</p>

<p>Examinations:
Standard multiple choice, short response questions and essays within time limit. You do have open book examinations too during which those books and lecture notes which you so treasure may not come in handy. </p>

<p>An idiosyncratic thing I notice is the so-called cheat sheets. You have a limit of maybe one A4 paper to scribble down formulae, concepts or anything which you think is helpful for your examination.</p>

<p>You also have ‘take home’ examinations. This is conducted on LMES online platform. You have a 24-hour limit to submit these analytical essays. This is often the case for Marketing, Social Science and Humanities classes. </p>

<p>Grading:
HKUST has been using the 12-point grading with each letter grade corresponding to points. A+ = 12.00 which is the highest. However, since 2011, they change it to the 4-point (actually 4.3!) GPA with a maximum of 4.30. As a rule of thumb, try to maintain your grade within the Second Honour.</p>

<p>Final Year Projects (FYP) and Undergraduate Research Opportunities (UROPs):
FYPs concern Science and Engineering students, but Business students may also opt for this if you are driven by curiosity and basic, pure research. As the name implies, you attach yourself to a potential advisor who is a professor. You basically conduct a research, write reports and conduct a poster presentation. It may be optional for some. It is worth 10 credits HKUST (a course is usually 3 credits, sometimes 4) and usually takes two terms to complete in the last year. </p>

<p>UROPs are like FYPs, but optional. You may do it over the summer holiday. It enhances your curriculum vitae and puts you in contact with professors who may likely be your referees. </p>

<p>Internships:
Science and Engineering: I must warn you that there are not many opportunities outside to gain pertinent work experience outside academia, especially for research. There may be some conservation work with Ocean Park and the Wetland Reserve, but that absolutely requires Cantonese and Mandarin skills.</p>

<p>Business and sometimes Science and Engineering: Most internship with local companies requires you to have a command of, in addition to English, Cantonese AND Mandarin. International companies like Merill Lynch, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, HSBC and Credit Suisse may be more lax. There is no gainsaying Cantonese and Mandarin are almost required de facto. </p>

<p>Exchange Programmes:
Science and Engineering: See [School</a> of Science - International Exchange Program](<a href=“Home Page | School of Science - The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology”>Home Page | School of Science - The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology) You have choices in order of preference and a selection interview. In my case, it was a group interview of 5 people. No pressure, just simple questions to see whether you can survive and thrive there. Note that you have to maintain your grade at a minimum of B-. Most people go during Year 2 Autumn, Year 2 Spring or Year 3 Autumn. You can transfer credits. For American institutions, it is one-to-one i.e. 1 credit USA = 1 credit HKUST. For European destinations, you multiply each ECTS credit by 0.56 and round down. </p>

<p>Business: Your selection process is based on grade and interview. You may not get the desired destinations. France HEC Rouen is a popular choice because you get to travel a lot. More career driven ones go to American institutions. </p>

<p>I think it is one of the best parts where you get a term worth of escape from HKUST. But, plan wisely so that you do not have to defer graduation or break your neck trying to make up for credits which cannot be transferred. </p>

<p>Library:
Where some people live their lives. Seaview… And presentation rooms. Ah, they used to have these cool moving shelves to save space, but I am not sure whether they still have them. </p>

<p>Student Halls:
HKUST is having a housing crisis now that they switch to the 3-3-4 education system. So, you may have to live off campus.
Mostly you have roommates and rooms are small. Only Hall 7, the newest, has some single rooms. Still, you have toilet mates: a suite of two rooms sharing a shower and a toilet. I live in a suite of double rooms i.e. 2 in each of the 2 rooms and 4 people sharing a toilet and a shower. So, pray to God, you have considerate roommates that do not sleep at unearthly hours and have acceptable hygiene. Local students go back home on weekends. Guys and girls live on the same floor, but different suites. Hall 7 has some activities which you must attend in order to remain in the Hall in the coming terms. These activities are grouped into themes. Check their website.</p>

<p>Hall 6: bigger rooms than Hall 7, but shared toilets and shower facilities. The definition of ‘sharing’ here is…all inclusive. Guys and girls DO SHARE toilets and shower facilities which are in the same place in this Hall. Gender equality, indeed.</p>

<p>Hall 5, 4, 3, 2: not very nice conditions. Noisy, dirty.</p>

<p>Hall 1: the oldest, first existing hall. Enough said…</p>

<p>Most Halls have sea view and mountain view, depending on which side of the corridor your room is. I have so far lived in both. After three years, I get sick of sea view stuffs: swimming pool, track, dormitories…</p>

<p>Suicides:
To address the rumours, yes, there were cases. So far I remember there was a PhD student in the post-graduate apartment. The recent tragic case in May is of an undergraduate dual degree in Engineering and Business in Hall 6 on the 8th floor. This sort of thing happens and life goes on. </p>

<p>Lifts:
There are MANY lifts in HKUST, and very likely you NEED them if you live in Halls. To put in perspective, to get from the Atrium to the barbecue pit at the beach, you take 4 lifts and go down, according to the levels, 32 storeys. On average you take 3-4 lifts to classes. So, if ever, one set of them – just one – breaks down, I will not go to class. You have the option of walking the meandering roads… up to the equivalent of 30 floors. Having brought that up, some people have mountain bicycles… </p>

<p>Campus Food:
There are few places to eat. The food is… how should I put? I became averse to eating on campus beginning Year 1 Spring, and by the time, I was in Year 2, I eschewed some canteens. In Year 3, I have virtually eschewed campus food. It is not bad, but you just get sick of it.</p>

<p>LG1:

  • Char Chaan Teng : (HKD$19-30) Rice combination: chicken rice (not the Hainanese, Singapore or Malaysian, nor the Thai kind), Char Siu (barbecued , Chinese style pork) rice. Cheaper Hong Kong style breakfast (HKD$13-20), and Tea time (a local HK thing when the menu is cheaper during 1400-1700.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>the We Proudly Brew Starbucks : Starbucks stuffs at slightly cheaper prices (HKD$21 up for Latte). Some cakes and desserts.</p></li>
<li><p>the mini Dim Sum place: all-day Dim Sum. Decent. Crowded at lunch time.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>LG5:
-McDonald’s and its café. </p>

<p>LG7:
-The major canteen. Too many stuffs to cover. Okay.</p>

<p>The Café:
-where most international students and faculty members hang out. Starting to charge exorbitant prices. Make peace with the quality and the price you pay.</p>

<p>The Bistro and The UniBar:
More expensive. Rarely goes there because it is a bit of a distance.</p>

<p>Vicinity of Campus:
Direct buses to Hang Hau, Choi Hung, Po Lam, Sai Kung.</p>

<p>Hang Hau: your gateway to the city areas (Central, Tsim Sha Tsui, Causeway Bay, Wan Chai). Decent malls with a hypermarket called Taste. They have some standard franchise food chain: McDonalds (again), Haagen Daz, Ajisen Ramen, Yoshinoya, Genki sushi, and some local places. </p>

<p>Choi Hung: Your gateway to Mong Kok, Tsam Shui Po, APM mall. An interesting place is the nunnery. It is quite the contrast: you see a serene place of meditation with nicely manicured Chinese garden amidst the city landscape. A peaceful place to have first rate vegetarian meal. </p>

<p>Po Lam: Mall stuffs</p>

<p>Sai Kung: seafood at exorbitant prices, some nice Western cuisines due to the majority of expatriates there. </p>

<p>Activities:
You have a myriad of activities to do: student societies, ISA (International Students Association) activities, personal activities. If you have some free time to join and it helps you balance your university life and keeps your sanity, go ahead. I will list some activities:
Subject clubs: Don’t worry, they do not do the intellectual, academic things, just barbecue, society dinner and the likes.</p>

<p>ISA activities: I think they have a Facebook page. Check it out.

  • pub nights: cheap entrance fees; cheap booze; organised in student halls
  • boat parties: I’m not sure if you know this. HKUST has a pier, so now and then the ISA organises this. Entrance fees around HKD$250-300 for booze and light food.
  • international food: Food from respective countries at cheap prices.
  • beach parties: usual stuffs; cheap booze and music. </p>

<p>Trips:
Other than these club-organised activities, you may also do some travelling in Hong Kong, Macau and mainland China. In winter, you can hike, eat hotpot and drink hot herbal tea. There are many trails here in Kowloon and the outlying small islands; they have one of the most magnificent views and you will bump into wild animals. Yes, there are indeed wild cows and boars roaming in parts of Hong Kong. In summer, famous beaches reek of sun tanning oil (coconut, banana…grilled in the heat). Alternatively, there are other smaller, less well-known beaches in the vicinity of HKUST that you have to take a short boat trip. HKUST itself has a ‘beach’ – metres of sand strip where you can book barbecue pits. These are some of the things not mentioned in the HK tourist guide, so the rest can be found on those pamphlets. </p>

<p>Outside Food:
Aside from good Dim Sum at cheaper prices than elsewhere, do check out openrice.com for food reviews, after all Hong Kong has a wide selection of cuisines. </p>

<p>I can only elaborate insofar as the question you posted. Hope this helps. If ever, anything comes up, I will try to answer.</p>

<p>Hello, Jinnie33.</p>

<p>I am from HKUST, so cannot say much about HKU. HKU, to me, still is the pillar of Hong Kong, and with that, I hold the school in high regard. </p>

<p>Business-wise, HKUST boasts well for the programme although I know many BBA people who would say otherwise. I guess I have come to this point of love-hate relationship with my school too. </p>

<p>Scholarships for international students are mostly by Swire group. They hand out a lot, but most people I know failed to meet the grade requisite after one term. So, you have to work to maintain it.</p>

<p>thank you so much for yr info hkust12!!! ^^
hmm anw i wanna ask anyone here got the HKSAR government scholarship?? >< how many rounds are there before the final result is out??</p>

<p>@salad93
<a href=“mailto:dental@hku.hk”>dental@hku.hk</a> is a rubbish email, they never answer any of my email since last year.
I have asked the office lady Miss Joyce Chan, she have answer me like this:</p>

<p>Thank you for your enquiry. I have reviewed your application and the assessment of the Faculty Admissions Committee. I must say that the chance for you to be offered admission to the BDS programme is rather low. It is a good news indeed that you receive an offer from the Master of Medical Science program.
May I take this opportunity and wish you every success in your future endeavours.
Yours sincerely,
Joyce Chan</p>

<p>That means if you do not receive any news, you have a very low chance to get into dentistry. You can also find her email and ask her anything about BDS admission. I hope this did not frustrate you. Good Luck</p>

<p>@annababy</p>

<p>Thank you for informing me. I emailed Ms Joyce Chan. However, I did not get a reply from her at all. I don’t know if it was the right email I sent to. Guess I shall apply for next year’s intake under fast track then:) Thank you very much.</p>

<p>hi … can anyone tell me the minimum requirement for HKU MED for IB?..</p>

<p>Is there anyone’s application status is still ‘under consideration’? (for both HKU & UST)</p>

<p>Hi
I just got a conditional offer from CUHK for the programme IBBA. They emailed me that i hv to choose one of the nine colleges. But I don’t know which one to choose, plz help!</p>

<p>Hello, has anyone received any news about the HKSAR scholarship results yet?</p>

<p>nopeee, they said late juneeee
does everyone get nominated?</p>

<p>Finally I have received an offer from HKU!!! Studying economics/finance!!! Is there anyone doing the same program with me??? Btw can somebody tell me about studying and living in HKU??? Thank you very much!!! =D</p>

<p>Has anyone heard back for MBBS at hku? Still says under consideration for me</p>

<p>Hi everyone ! Just new to the forum… I have a question about the BBA in HKUST… I’ve heard quite a lot of rumours about the very heavy workload in HKUST and wanted to have some first-hand knowledge from People who are maybe there… Although I am a hard worker can anyone give me an idea about the number of hours on average of class work and of personal work each week when studying the BBA at HKUST ? I just want to know what I am letting myself in for :wink: Thanks for any info that can be shared !!</p>

<p>@jonhk2012 For BBA courses (at least in the first year), there is not a lot of classwork assigned that is graded as professors usually choose to assess students through midterms and finals that make up a big portion of your overall grade. Outside of class, the number of hours that you need to study depends on what sort of grade you are shooting for. </p>

<p>As hkust2012 has stated in the previous post, the grading curve can kill people in some courses. I would say that if you study 3-6 hours per week outside of class per subjects, show up in lectures/ tutorials, ask questions, and fully understand the material, then it would be sufficient to end up with a grade in the A range. (do note that you might have to dish out 6-9 hours for more competitive courses like Accounting and Finance). Hope this helps :)</p>

<p>Thanks for the info… most useful !!.. anyone else who can give more feedback / experience on this would be most welcome… I’m just so wary of some people talking about working through the night, no social life etc etc … .
Also anyone who can give info useful for new international undergrads on the general atmosphere / ease of integration for internationals in the BBA … and any useful advice on which hall is best, which LLCs etc… sorry for all the questions but I’m new to this thing ;-)</p>

<p>Hi all! I’m considering studying abroad at either HKU or HKUST for a semester but i’m not sure which university is more renowned for computer science. I have heard that HKU is slightly more prestigious, but since HKUST can be considered as an engineering school, would that make the school a better option? Thankss!</p>