<p>^ He’s a warrior against logic. ;)</p>
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<p>I would expect you to have some reading comprehension and know that that’s not what I said, but we can all dream.</p>
<p>So, back on topic, you really think no man has ever abused his power?</p>
<p>^ That wasn’t the topic. The topic question asked how women are oppressed by men. Meaning, what is it men SPECIFICALLY do to oppress women? i’m really curious to the answer. I believe sexism exists in our society and both genders face it, but what specifically are men doing to oppress women?</p>
<p>Btw, aren’t you a guy? I just find it funny that as a woman I feel equal to men in every way (and was raised in an islamic fundamentalist home) but you’re getting mighty upset on my behalf.</p>
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<p>Check topic of this thread.</p>
<p>The question should be, “Are women more oppressed by today’s society than men are?”, and the answer of course depends on how you define all the variables since we are oppressed in different ways.</p>
<p>If you want to make an impact on the world it seems that men have it easier, but if you just want to live your life in peace and be happy it seems that women have it easier. </p>
<p>Consider this btw:
*Most men barely see their kids while most women see them a ton! That is a huge injustice, we must make it a lot easier for men to spend time with their kids! What, you say that they do not want to spend time with their kids and therefore can just blame themselves? That is the dumbest thing I have heard, who wouldn’t want to spend time with their kids? It must be this dumb society which teaches men that they do not belong with kids and therefore makes them chose other paths! *</p>
<p>Every issue always have two sides, it is just that usually you blame men for not wanting to spend time with their kids, at the same time as you blame society that it teaches women that they do not belong in engineering/maths/physics.</p>
<p>We can instead say that women are lazy bastards who do not want to do their share for the society and therefore choose to spend time at home with their babies instead of furthering science or leading the country, while men are oppressed into being slaves for the greater good without much life outside of that.</p>
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<p>I’ve seen a lot of women do better in school than I do and get lower subjective grades by female teachers. Women are often the worst sexists.</p>
<p>That’s why you think women have things so easy, it’s because things are even worse in Islamic fundamentalism. Much worse.</p>
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<p>You do an awful lot of rambling considering your name.</p>
<p>More women go to college. Now colleges are sexist.</p>
<p>I think another thing most here should think about is why they value a typical man’s life higher than a typical woman’s? Can’t it just be that it is yet another social construct, and that men are just better at marketing what they do? I would not be surprised if when men start doing more “female” stuff those would suddenly pop up in rank and suddenly such positions would become attractive.</p>
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<p>I think you are talking more about the social construct and they different ways women are viewed compared to men. Women have made achievements that have been deemed important to society. And there are just as many commercials for things women do as for things that men do.</p>
<p>It’s just natural to assume that a guys make the important decisions and actions but in reality women are just as capable if not more. But the assumption is not a cause for oppression…</p>
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The topic of this thread is how men oppress women. Not how women oppress women.</p>
<p>And I think it goes without saying that men oppress men as well. Obama doesn’t “oppress” the typical woman any more than he does the typical man.</p>
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It’s thanks to guys like logicwarrior that I really believe things will someday be truly equal. I don’t think any of us argue that equality has not yet been completely achieved, but it’s men who are willing to work WITH women to change that (and who are strong enough to not be afraid of sharing their power) who are arguably the most vaulable to the movement.</p>
<p>I think everyone who’s participated in this thread should read this (very famous) article about oppression. It addresses what oppression is, what it isn’t, and how it all relates to the women’s movement:
[url=<a href=“http://www.terry.uga.edu/~dawndba/4500Oppression.html]OPPRESSION[/url”>http://www.terry.uga.edu/~dawndba/4500Oppression.html]OPPRESSION[/url</a>]</p>
<p>Well, I think every person on this thread has made very good points for each side. </p>
<p>I only disagree about current equality; Women still have a lot to overcome. Men have more opportunities, rights, and privileges, but this doesn’t necessarily equate to the oppression of women by men.</p>
<p>I think SOME men oppress some women, but SOME women oppress some men. Neither sex, as a whole, oppresses the other sex. I think society and even other women have a hand in any “oppression” that might be present.</p>
<p>BUT, this is not to say that women were not oppressed by men in the past, because they were. Although, I think the OP addressed that.</p>
<p>Again, neither sex has it easier as a whole, and women do not have all the rights men have it. A few select people in power control this, however, as well as societal roles and mores.</p>
<p>Leah and Blair, those are some nice opinions, but it doesn’t change the fact that the current equality of men and women is equal, we’ve been over this 2-3 times in the last 5 pages.</p>
<p>Please explain this
Be specific. What opportunities, rights and privileges do men have that women are being denied? Serving in combat during war is one I can think of, but what else?</p>
<p>i’m actually writing a paper right now on gender equality and mary wollstonecraft’s vindication of the rights of women, and this thread is useful :)</p>
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<p>I think men are the most valuable to your movement…more logical and women create their own culture that makes them look like sex objects.</p>
<p>You might want to reconsider about logicwarrior though, he said that women are the most sexist of all.</p>
<p>Clearly you haven’t actually read anything anyone’s written throughout this entire thread.</p>
<p>It would REALLY benefit you to read and at least somewhat consider the article I posted.</p>
<p>I won’t consider anything until you tell me how a man has more opportunity, rights, and priveledges than a woman does.</p>
<p>We have. Read our other posts.</p>
<p>It is YOUR opinion that women and men are equal under the law. It is not mine.</p>
<p>Things that men can do, while women cannot OR things men have, while women do not:
Serve in combat
Be drafted (although unsavory)
“All MEN are created equal”
“liberty and justice for all”
“equal justice under law”
“government of the people, by the people, and for the people” <----No mention of women
The first – and still the only – right that the Constitution specifically affirms equally for women and men is the right to vote.</p>
<p>As demonstrated in 1996 by the last major Supreme Court decision on sex discrimination, regarding admission of women to Virginia Military Institute (VMI), we have not moved beyond the traditional assumption that males hold rights and females must prove that they hold them. The VMI decision now tells courts to exercise “skeptical scrutiny” requiring “exceedingly persuasive” justification of differential treatment on the basis of sex, but prohibition of sex discrimination is still not as strongly enforceable as prohibition of race discrimination.
Ironically, under current court decisions about sex and race discrimination, a white male claiming race discrimination by a program or action is protected by strict scrutiny, but a black female claiming sex discrimination by the same program or action is protected by only skeptical, not strict, scrutiny.</p>
<p>What women have, but men do not:
Right to be supported by her husband
States and the Federal Government have enacted giving special protection to women
Protection in Marriage Laws
Protection in Divorce Laws</p>
<p>“What we need are laws to protect working people, to guarantee them fair pay, safe working conditions, protection against sickness and layoffs, and provision for dignified, comfortable retirement. Men and women need these things equally. That one sex needs protection more than the other is a male supremacist myth as ridiculous and unworthy of respect as the white supremacist myths that society is trying to cure itself of at this time.”</p>
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If women are already equal, why is it such an event whenever one happens to be elected to Congress or is a part of the campaign for President?</p>
<p>Also, if you say, “There is enough legislation to protect women,” think of this:
Congress has the power to make laws that replace existing laws – and to do so by a simple majority. Therefore, many of the current legal protections against sex discrimination can be removed by the margin of a single vote.</p>
<p>Would anyone really want to turn back the clock on women’s advancement? Ask the members of Congress who have tried to cripple Title IX, which requires equal opportunity in education – who have opposed the Violence Against Women Act, the Fair Pensions Act, and the Paycheck Fairness Act – who voted to pay for Viagra for servicemen but oppose funding for family planning and contraception – who for decades have blocked U.S. ratification of the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW).</p>
<p>Women and men are NOT treated as equals in the eyes of the law or in the eyes of society.</p>
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<p>Women don’t have the right to serve in combat. Everything else is a mistranslation of the constitution.</p>
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<p>What are you complaining about here? That racial discrimination receives more attention than sex discrimination? Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Next.</p>
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<p>No we don’t.</p>
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<p>Because it’s only the United States?</p>
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<p>They *can be removed. A terrible argument is one made up of speculation.</p>
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<p>Why not? they have every opportunity that a man does in this country. You haven’t proved your point with anything, you just keep saying the same phrase over and over.</p>