How common is getting "shut out" for "reasonably good" students?

<p>Thanks to @PTigerMomAlum & others… </p>

<p>I am quite sure that it will still work out well for my daughter. She is resilient and will simply await the final decision (Stanford) on the 1st… and then evaluate where she stands. We should receive the USC decision in today’s mail… and Vanderbilt announces tomorrow. We clearly are not expecting a miracle from Stanford. At present, she would need to choose among 4 FL colleges, and that would likely come down to selecting FSU or New College of FL over UMiami and UTampa. She clearly was not “shut out” completely because she did apply to an array of schools. The Ivies are always a difficult “In”… and so are NU and UChicago. I guess that we are most surprised by Duke and UVa. We are assuming those that are Wait-Lists will never amount to an offer. So, 9 No’s so far… Stanford will make it 10.</p>

<p>When I speak of ethnicity, I merely do so as a cautionary tale for future applicants… just as many others before warned us. Anyone can search online for “unhooked white female” and read the numerous news accounts from this year and the past few. It is simply the reality of things. When you also factor in being from a public HS in FL that does not have a very good track record in terms of successful admissions to many of these elite colleges, the writing on the wall does become even more clear.</p>

<p>Our advice would be to try your best to fall in love with a host of schools, representing a wide array of college selectivity ranges. My D’s 17 colleges ranged from 6% to 60%. So far… the lowest she has gotten into accepts 40%. USC would change that to 18%… Vanderbilt to 13%. But choose well… as her No’s have ranged from 7-26%.</p>

<p>Yes… research/plan well and shoot for the reach schools (especially EA/ED if feasible), but clearly add 4-8 matches to your 1-3 reaches and 2-4 safeties. And just keep in mind that you are also being seen as a member of a specific applicant pool type. Like it or not… the colleges will categorize you to an extent. Asians and Asian-Americans are currently harmed as a group to the greatest degree by this quota system approach… followed by white females and so on…</p>

<p>And if you lack a significant hook… legacy, athlete, geographic uniqueness, URM, etc., then you need to be prepared for that cruel reality that it is a #s game that does not favor you due to the sheer # of qualified applicants to each of these programs. My D’s rejection letters and wait-list letters also tell that tale well… we received 19K+_, 25K+, 30K+ or even 50K+ applicants this year. It is a challenge not only for the applicant to overcome such, but it is also a challenge for the AdComs themselves. They want to craft that well-rounded freshman class… and they want to have that 50/50 male/female ratio if they can… with students from every state… seeking every major, etc., etc. And they are pressured by the athletic programs, etc., etc. They have a difficult task indeed. I do not begrudge them… nor do we begrudge those admitted using whatever possible hook that may be available to them. God speed and use what you can :)</p>

<p>Good Luck to this year applicants at the school they will ultimately choose to attend. And good luck to future applicants. Select schools to apply to wisely… over-apply (i.e. be cautious) and apply to an array of schools (reach/match/safety)… and do not allow yourself to get shut-out, either in total or even among just the schools that truly inspire you :slight_smile: </p>

<p>JHS: What would be matches for WWWard’s daughter (and for kids like her)? And those LACs I listed would be safeties that would be an alternative to state schools.</p>

<p>Short answer to the original question: It all depends upon whether the applicants had reasonable expectations and applied to a wide variety of schools. </p>

<p>@arwarw Good for her! Wonderful choices all!</p>

<p>For women I think one place to look for matches is the male heavy tech institutes or the women’s colleges. Neither may be quite the diversity they are looking for but either will offer top notch academics. Similarly young men who might prefer a medium research university should consider either honors programs within bigger universities or LACs that are female heavy. It’s a demographics game. (There is a handful of universities that inexplicably need more men too, one of them is American - they also have an honors program and are top notch in some fields.)</p>

<p>Thankfully, my daughter was accepted today to the USC School of Dramatic Arts as a Theatre major (what she had applied for). So one thing is for sure… even if my younger daughter still dreams of Brown… USC will be on her list going forward :)</p>

<p>Thanks for the encouragement and support. While my D will still clearly consider Vanderbilt and/or Stanford, should those schools also admit her, she is also quite content with her current path… becoming an USC Trojan this fall.</p>

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<p>WWWard – congrats to your daughter! So glad that she got the good news from USC and that it’s official. Next winter, when Providence is shoveling out from its tenth snowstorm, she will be enjoying the warm weather in LA and wondering why she ever wanted to go to Brown. As for your younger daughter – if we are both on CC when she applies, PM me and we can discuss her application. </p>

<p>@fireandrain - Thanks! And will do. You may be right about the weather. We live in Tampa, so bad weather is only theoretical to them. Snow is that cute stuff they get to see for a short while every few years. I have a feeling once my younger D gets to hang out a bit on USC’s campus, she will be thinking more favorably of So Cal too…</p>

<p>And as an aside… they do send out an impressive looking packet at USC. I am sure that most elite schools do the same… but it is very well done :)</p>

<p>WWW, congrats to your DD! She’s in the right place for her career goals.</p>

<p>turtlefence, sorry to read of your kids’ experiences. </p>

<p>WWWard - Congrats! I have been following your posts since the Yale SCEA thread … I am soooo happy for your D and the family. All of your posts showed love and care for your D. I would vote you for the Nicest Dad on CC award. Congrats again!</p>

<p>I would hope it doesn’t happen all that often as most students SHOULD apply to safety schools (which means they should never, ever be shut out if they applied to a safety) and match schools. As far as getting shut out from reach schools, all the time. Happened to me this year (4 Ivies + Duke), with a 4.1 GPA (3.8 UW) and 2150 SAT (32 ACT), happened to the valedictorian in my class (3 Ivies) with a 4.6 GPA and 2100 SAT, as well as 2 other students with well above a 4.0 GPA and 33+ ACTs. </p>

<p>WWWard congratulations! Enjoy your remaining time with your D. Once they move to So Cal, they never move back.</p>

<p>So glad to read your good news, WWWard! I’m sure she’s a happy camper today.</p>

<p>@wwward Great news!!! I’m sure several of us parents were right there hoping right along with you. You had a clue about USC and it turned out to be true! As an earlier poster mentioned, she only gets to go to one school, and she now has that one. And it seems perfectly suited to her strengths and interests. That’s what it’s all about! Congratulations to your wonderful daughter!</p>

<p>@wwward congrats to your D on USC! With regard to the other decisions wondering whether she needed substantial financial aid.</p>

<p>Thanks, everyone!!! We appreciate it. My daughter was applying for FA, so I am not sure what impact that had… if any. All of those schools I believe claim to be “need blind”… as does USC. Yes… in reality… when you factor in her preferred goals of acting specifically for the camera + screenwriting… and her preference for film/tv over theatre, it is true that USC is likely the better overall fit by far. And you all may be right… these next few months will be hard - especially the letting go part… and we may never get her back once California gets its grips on her :slight_smile: lol… but all of that is okay - it is frankly about the kids anyhow. The CC experience, any and all assistance related to schooling, the drives to and from auditions, etc… it is all to help our children reach for the stars and chase their dreams. </p>

<p>Best of luck to those on this thread or mentioned on this thread who may be having difficulty finding the right path so far. We hope it works out for them as well…</p>

<p>PS… BTW… She just got her Stanford rejection via email. So anyone awaiting such… go check… and good luck!</p>

<p>Also rejected by Vanderbilt just now. So go check VU too. And good luck!!!</p>

<p>Wow! for my D… only one acceptance outside the state of Florida. This really does put it all in perspective. To future applicants… research those schools well, apply to a wide array and good luck overcoming this huge challenge.</p>

<p>And for us… Go USC! Thank, God for them :slight_smile: Fight On, Trojans!</p>