How do you feel about getting older?

I see lots of positivity about career ladders, and health as an important factor in positive aging (whether that health is luck, genes, effort, or a mix of all three)

What do you feel like socially? I have never been as lonely as I have involuntarily retired (I left my job --which was not my “career job” and only okay anyway — to care for my parents). Finding friends is truly difficult. Keeping them is too. It feels like trying to date, and everyone is taken :slight_smile: Our friends have died, they’ve moved to be nearer to kids, they are working and I am not, etc. etc. Throw in the whole “can’t drive in the dark” thing and I feel discouraged. Anybody else?

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Ha, you are lucky to spend time with good CEOs who want your involvement. I’ve spent far too much time with bad CEOs who resent my advice. They also make a big difference, just in the opposite direction.

Consulting is very much a career you can continue nearly indefinitely (my father worked into his mid 70s before he reduced his workload). Companies always forget the lessons that were learned very painfully in previous business cycles. I’m finding I’m one of the few people left who can still explain what went wrong in my industry in the late 1990s because I lived it first hand.

In that sense I feel I’m getting “old”. But I’ve also got the ability to control my schedule and have more time to do things I enjoy, like taking a few weeks to hike 200 miles (John Muir Trail in 2022, Coast to Coast in England this year). Fortunately I’ve not experienced meaningful deterioration in hiking abilities yet, though it no longer appeals to do some of the crazy things I did in college.

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I am really good at making and keeping friends. I want to say that up front. People compliment me on my ability to build communities. Are you looking for people to commiserate, or do you want ideas for making friends? I am happy to keep my trap shut, if requested!

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I’m ready for advice- I want ideas for making friends and keeping them. Please do tell.

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I’d love to get good advice. Like you, ShawWife is a people magnet. I have a few very close friends that I made in grad school but have not really made close new friends though there are a lot of people that I like. What does tend to happen is that people find me very interesting (my hairstyle, though this was before that) but we stay friends because of ShawWife.

I kind of think I should make some new friends of my own.

Yes @Twoin18, I think we are lucky (though I chose this area because I thought it was one in which, if you could generate useful knowledge, companies would want to our help in things that mattered to them. We were able to generate a useful approach. As such, there was some premeditation. Companies would not engage us unless they wanted to get something done – It is just the nature of what we advise on. We do have some clients who are really risk averse – “we never do it that way but always do it this way”. But, our job becomes moving their thinking. There’s no point in taking money to have the client do nothing as that does not help our reputation – successful projects and effective working relationships are important parts of how we get new clients.

I can think of one exception – a regulated utility. We mapped out an economically superior strategy and could not understand why they continually failed to act. We ultimately figured out that doing the best thing economically would have made the CEO look bad before the regulators (and likely his board) but they would not say that so we were banging our heads against the wall. We called him and nicely fired the client. But, we had a few governments as clients early on where one part of the government wanted to get stuff done and other parts didn’t and we were caught in the middle. We once had our engagement agreement published in the main business newspaper of the country, it having been leaked by opponents. So, we don’t generally work for governments anymore. Instead if we want to do good, we take on the projects basically pro bono. Give me business class airfare and 5 star hotels but I’ll give you my time for free.

Like you, I also like being able to control my schedule a lot more than when I was younger and to turn down clients I don’t want to work with. I don’t need the money (though I like it) so I want the projects to be interesting. I have read that autonomy was one of the key factors in job satisfaction.

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Me too! Perhaps we need a whole thread of making friend pro tips for the parents who aren’t going to PTA meetings anymore.

Fair warning – I have tried my level best. I have done the joining, the inviting, the inviting some more. The out-of-comfort-zone working on my chatting skills. I can share at least a dozen ghosting incidents. I am friendly, personable, not hogging the spotlight. Honestly, I can see that I myself am the common denominator, but for the life of me I don’t know what to do/be different. Maybe (and this was the question) I am wrong in thinking everybody else has plenty of friends. (Inside, I am just an insecure middle school girl doomscrolling her socials)

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We were meeting and making some casual friends by playing pokemon but then covid happened and everyone disappeared.

My sisters have made friends by traveling—making connections with fellow travelers. They’ve also made friends playing pickleball and socializing before & after. One of the sisters also plays mahjong and has the people gather at her home.

I’ve made some friends through nonprofit work but I don’t socialize with them.

Many of those I socialize with are relatives and people I’ve known for decades. A few newer friends are our neighbors (on both sides of our house)—we’ve become a bit closer to them, including some socializing.

Just want to say they’re back!

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Nah, the nice posse of folks we had that were playing pokémon largely moved on after covid isolation, sadly. It’s ok, we have other interests as well. It was fun while it lasted.

I have heard of folks making friends via their dogs, playing pickleball, taking courses, traveling.

I was starting to feel a bit of this until this summer, when I enrolled in a local PICKLEBALL beginner class. It’s been so much fun meeting other beginner players, some young but mostly retirees. I’ve met so many nice eople that I’ve met in class and local club and the indoor private courts. (About 20 of them are in my contacts as ‘PicB ______” …. so we can whip up a foursome if the weather looks good. Gonna play tomorrow afternoon. Nice bonus - outdoor play is mostly during daylight hours, and indoor courts/lessons easily available during the day.

Anybody curious to learn more should join us at this thread.

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@greenbutton (weird, I have no reply button for your post above- only yours!)

I have never really needed or I guess fit in the “friend” thing as an adult. I think I was simply happy with my family and busy enough with family and work to not really miss “friendship” - I certainly got along with other parents just fine and could talk with anyone but I wasn’t into wine or whatever the flavor of the day was so I didn’t fit into the social outside of kid’s activities outings.

Now I think it’s a matter of finding “my people” - somewhat like minded people - but as you say, sort of feels like everyone is already friend- full!

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I agree that social connections are important for a sense of well being and that it is harder when you don’t have kids in school.

We moved to our current home after our D graduated from HS. Most of our new friends are neighbors but we’ve also met friends through volunteering and work.

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My bookclub has turned into an unexpected source of friends. And although there were a couple of people I didn’t like initially, turns out they are very different now that we’ve spent “forced time” together. Truly a great group, and also great individually.

An organization I volunteer with has both people I actively dislike (but we work together fine, in limited doses) and people who have become friends. I think you need to go into these situations just to help out the cause-- and after a while, assess those relationships.

I recently made an effort to reconnect with the parent of a casual acquaintance of one of my kids. We had the usual parent-teacher night chit-chat, and we chaperoned school trips a few times but our kids didn’t like each other enough for it to develop into anything. Anyway, I remembered something she had said years ago about her family, and I recently invited her to go to a museum show of something relevant. I was shocked she accepted (and I know she was shocked that I invited her) and I also invited a mutual friend as a buffer because why not (and this friend is always up for a museum trip).

IT WAS FABULOUS. The three of us reacted to the exhibit so differently but with so much common ground and understanding of each other; we went out for coffee afterwards, nobody wanted to leave even though we all had places we needed to be. I am sad I never made an effort when our kids were in school together- but hey, no time like the present. I always found her interesting and quite intimidating and now she’s just interesting. Go figure.

There are a couple of close friendships that seem to have withered up over the last two years and frankly- I don’t miss them. In one instance I had become the substitute therapist and in the other, I was probably not the echo chamber she was looking for. People change, that’s ok.

So I don’t have a roadmap for making friends. Except that you are probably already volunteering in the community- and it’s worth looking around to see who you like and want to take the initiative to invite for coffee? And look back on your acquaintances and see if there’s someone “interesting and intimidating” who might have become someone interesting. When this person confessed to me “I was so happy you reached out. I was dying to see this exhibit but am not brave enough to go alone” I was pretty surprised. And since then we’ve discovered we have a LOT of interests in common!

Good luck… I know it’s hard…

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There was a thread about making friends (when your kids are grown), but I can’t seem to find it. I think it may have been pre covid (and things have changed since then).

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I guess that I can derail my own thread. This got long! TL;DR – Just keep trying.

I had to give this some real thought. Talking to anyone is something that I get from my mom. If you aren’t born with the gift of gab, I get that it’ll take more effort. I tried to think of something specific and actionable. Here are some things that I came up with …

A lot of us volunteer, but I think it helps to be in a team-building role if you want your volunteerism to lead to relationships. Example: I volunteered for a politics-based organization. One of the initiatives was to write postcards. Now, obviously you could be a postcard writer, toiling alone in your home, but you likely will meet one person – the person who gives you the postcards. Try a role that puts you in contact with more people. I was the coordinator who gave out postcards to the writers and collected them. On any given day, I had contact with a dozen people. I hosted postcard parties at the office, giving people a place to congregate so they could get to know each other. I had first-time volunteers who grew their roles and are now precinct chairs! That is a huge step up in commitment, but it all started with someone making them feel included. YOU can be that person. And it helps to volunteer with an organization with a mission that motivates people and makes them feel better about themselves for doing something meaningful, which increases the chances that they will enjoy the work and keep coming and become potential friends. Another example: A friend is an editor. She volunteered to edit the newsletter for an organization. Again, worthwhile but a lonely job. She transitioned to take a board role with the organization so she sees others while still doing good for this group.

I like that @greenbutton said that this feels like dating, because it is similar. If you love running, then run with a group not just solo. And take out the damn earbuds, which says, “I don’t want to talk to you.” Many years ago I was training with a local running group for a marathon. When I traveled for work, I looked up that city’s franchise of the same running group and ran with those people. So much fun. They said no one had ever done that before and gave me one of their fancy Dri-Fit shirts and everything. A lot of running groups go out for breakfast or beers afterward. Lots of opportunities to meet people and maybe find a running buddy for a midweek jog. If you and your spouse play pickleball, great! But if you are only playing against each other then you aren’t giving yourself the opportunity to make friends.

Another idea if you are retired – Maybe when you were working it wasn’t appropriate to have office friends, but now that you aren’t working now could be the time to look up that person you always admired. I see a former boss occasionally and like her so much better now that we are both retired and she’s no longer my boss!

I keep in contact with friends I haven’t seen for years. Some of them, yes, I met through my kids’ schools and we no longer have kids in school together, but we still have kids! Ds2 especially keeps in contact with a wide range of people (hmmm, wonder where he gets it?), and I stay in contact with their moms. I wrote one recently saying how exciting it is that her ds bought a house. She was thrilled to talk about it. Isn’t that why we are here in the cafe? To still talk about our kids? lol Most of these moms have moved and don’t fulfill that everyday kind of friendship, but they are all still important to me and sometimes out of the blue I’ll hear from one and it makes me smile.

I’ve never done it, but, again, like a dating app, a lot of places have meet-up groups. I have a Zoom workout friend in Southern California, and, man, her meet-up group is ACTIVE. If you don’t like the first group, keep going until you find a group that fits.

Like dating, you have to kiss a few frogs. Keep trying and making the first move. All they can say is no, but you see how many people on this thread are in the same boat. Someone might be DYING to meet for coffee or go hear that lecture or whatever. And if they don’t, ask someone else. There are plenty of friend fish in the sea.

Story from yesterday: One of my dearest friends took me out for my birthday lunch. There was a woman sitting with a friend in the next booth who had the most gorgeous silver hair. She was kind of staring at me, too. Kinda weird. Now, I could have just admired her from afar, but when I got up to go to the bathroom as I passed I stopped and said, “I have to tell you that I love your hair. Gorgeous color and cut.” And she said, “I have to tell you I love your hat!” It was a UT volleyball cap, and we started talking about the big playoff game tomorrow night, and she said that she and her friend were going. I told her that I went to the playoffs last year but wasn’t going this year. Blah blah blah Now, if I hadn’t already had a lunch date, I probably would’ve sat down with them, that’s how well we were vibing! But it all started because I was brave enough to pay this woman a sincere compliment. And get this? Turns out a friend is giving us her tix to the game tomorrow night so I might see the awesome woman with the great hair. I’m going to make it a point to look for her. This might be my new bff. lol

All of this starts with extending yourself. Again and again. And to bring it back to the getting older theme, one of the reason why a CCRC is so attractive to me is because dh doesn’t have a lot of friends. I know that he would be so lonely in this house after I am gone so I want to set him up in an environment where he won’t just waste away alone. :cry: Like so many men, he relies on his spouse for socialization. So, yes, men find some friends of your own!

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I think you are an extrovert. :blush:

I know that I am not! Approaching people out of the blue would be very awkward for me.

I think I could find a middle ground though.

I also admit that - speaking of old….- a lot of people my age seem old to me in their interests and activities.

At the same time one of the people I enjoy the most is my new to us neighbor who is 80 - she is SO interesting, fun, active and has the best sporty look - walked with her tonight. She is breaking me in a bit to a new friendship!

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Seeing your post, @Bromfield2, made me realize I had posted my comment about the Afghan refugee story in the wrong thread - big OOPS! I could blame my mistake on getting older, but not sure I wouldn’t have laid a similar egg 20 years ago!

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@greenbutton thank you for your post. I am divorced and live alone, am in my 70’s, have many health issues, and kids are not close. COVID ended my long term art class and my tai chi teacher moved. I was hospitalized with COVID last year after trying to get out again to a new art class.

I find it interesting that those with spouses still mention being lonely. I am an introvert and don’t need much company! I see two couples and a few single female friends and that is generally enough. But before COVID life was a lot more active. I am making an effort again to get out there and volunteer/take classes/exercise. Churches, libraries and Y are all resources.

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Just want to add two signs of my aging:

One, I start watching a show on Netflix and wake up two hours later on episode 3.
Two, I get an hour into a show before I realize I have watched it before. (Ditto with books)

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