<p>Zoosermom, I am very informed, I don’t know about you. </p>
<p>“The rest are nothing jobs that any graduate of a good law school would hold.” </p>
<p>Wow, nothing jobs. Learning how our government works is a nothing job. </p>
<p>Writing a well cited paper on the rights of children is hardly minor. I don’t know the number of your publications, but if the number of citations you have received is higher than Hillary’s, then, CONGRATULATIONS!</p>
<p>^^–^^
She was also a protege of Alinsky, which we should ignore or accept as an action led by youthful ignorance. </p>
<p>Fwiw, all that “experience” fits wonderfully in the remaining 35 years usually claimed. While it amounts to better than average for regular citizens, the question remains how much that amounts for a candidate to the Presidency. </p>
<p>And that is why the misleading message of 35 years of experience falls onto the deaf ears of people who evaluate the experience without the blinders of utter partisanship and selective memories.</p>
<p>She is Mrs. Clinton. Even though, she ain’t baking the cookies a la Tammy Wynette.</p>
<p>“Zoosermom, I am very informed,”</p>
<p>Obviously not.</p>
<p>[Local</a> Obama fan shocked to see herself in pro-Clinton ad | KOMO-TV - Seattle, Washington | News](<a href=“http://www.komotv.com/news/16432241.html]Local”>http://www.komotv.com/news/16432241.html)</p>
<p>Perhaps Clintons campaign should get their own footage for ads.
[Bonney</a> Lake girl in Clinton ad actually supports Obama](<a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/354334_clintonad10.html]Bonney”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/354334_clintonad10.html)</p>
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<p>I think a lot of people should educate themselves on the things Hillary has done for Children’s rights (especially raking a 12-yr old girl over the coals on the witness stand in a child rape case). </p>
<p>[Exposed:</a> A ‘Willie Horton’ Skeleton in Hillary Clinton’s Closet - Senator Hillary Clinton Of New York - Zimbio](<a href=“http://www.zimbio.com/Senator+Hillary+Clinton+Of+New+York/articles/285/Exposed+Willie+Horton+Skeleton+Hillary+Clinton]Exposed:”>http://www.zimbio.com/Senator+Hillary+Clinton+Of+New+York/articles/285/Exposed+Willie+Horton+Skeleton+Hillary+Clinton)</p>
<p>I read on Kos today: “If Hillary is experienced, then Yoko was a Beatle.”</p>
<p>bz2010: don’t gloat.</p>
<p>She was a lawyer defending an accused (and I think it was pro-bono). She would not have done her job in defending if she had not cross-examined the girl.</p>
<p>A lawyer can not a be a judge as well.</p>
<p>Hey simba - no gloating here! The truth speaks for itself.</p>
<p>I agree that it is the responsibility of the defense to do the best for their client, but she could’ve accomplished that w/out putting a 12-yr old on the witness stand (filmed testimony for example) or attacking her credibility as it were. The prevailing opinion was that Hillary was very very tough, perhaps needlessly so. </p>
<p>And my objective in posting the article is to raise the question that if Hillary is such an ADVOCATE of children (as she claims), then why wasn’t the well-being of the child in the aforementioned case taken more into consideration?</p>
<p>^ When you are doing a job that is not important. Again a lawyer is not required to have his/her personal feelings affect the defense or procecution. In case of rape only TWO people know what really happened. People can lie at any age.</p>
<p>For example take Cochran. It was not his job to determine if OJ murdered Nicole or not. His job was to present best defense, and let the Jury and judge determine beyond reasonable doubt that OJ really did it.</p>
<p>That is the price we pay and must pay. In order to protect one innocent, ten real culprit may go free or an individual may pay personal price. It is the job of procecutors to prevent abuses of victims.</p>
<p>We also saw that during Duke case. The procecutor and the accuser were all lying.</p>
<p>Simba - did you read the entire article?</p>
<p>Rape is Rape; whether the victim has an “attraction to older men” or not and whether the victim happens to “be in the wrong place at the wrong time” or not.</p>
<p>It isn’t the victim’s fault if she gets raped - which appears to be the focus of HRC’s questioning of the 12-yr old in the case.</p>
<p>No, HRC was out to “win” the case. So what if she destroys a 12-yr. old in the process! If those are your tactics as a defense attorney, fine; but then you can’t claim to be a child advocate too!</p>
<p>makes no difference. The Jury and the Judge believed the defence.</p>
<p>There is a funny little sentence that says,“Beyond Reasonable Doubt”.</p>
<p>I recently went to training for becoming a substitute teacher. The trainer was very explicit in telling men (specially men in 20’s and 30’s) that NEVER EVER become friendly with female students in Junior and High Schools. Never talk to them alone in a class room. They are perfectly capable of lying if they feel that their affections are not returned.</p>
<p>When I was 12 I was sexually assaulted on school property by a group of boys- I told my mother and my counselor ( at the school) nothing ever came of it. However- as a result of that sexual assault, the boys spread rumors that I was “easy” and a “real redhead”. That possibly led to my being raped by an aquaintance a few years later, however by that time it was obvious from reading media reporting re women who were rape victims, that to press charges would result in my being dragged through the mud, with no real hope of a conviction since as soon as I was able I went home and scrubbed myself raw.</p>
<p>So Clinton expects us to believe a 12 year old girl to lie about a 41 year old man raping her, when that girl is not even old enough to babysit, let alone give consent to sex with an adult more than three times her age?</p>
<p>This is an example of why I would never vote for her and that includes if she is the democratic candidate. I can’t vote for someone who bends their ethics to serve their goals.</p>
<p>If you feel 12 year old girls lie in order to get attention etc- what do you expect is the percentage of 41 year old men who lie after raping a child?</p>
<p>I wonder why he didn’t just plead not guilty if he was actually innocent, instead of accepting a plea bargain?</p>
<p>" wonder why he didn’t just plead not guilty if he was actually innocent, instead of accepting a plea bargain?"</p>
<p>Because there was a great deal of evidence. This wasn’t a date-rape scenario.</p>
<p>ek4 - thank you so much for sharing! So sorry for your tribulations. Must’ve been very difficult (& I’m sure the memories are still tough). Appreciate your decision to post. Hope you’ve been able to help someone else b/c of what you’ve gone thru - maybe you just have!</p>
<p>Hope your life is good.</p>
<p>“I can’t vote for someone who bends their ethics to serve their goals.”</p>
<p>The ethical side here is that lawyers need to provide best defense to their client (if not they can be dis-barred)</p>
<p>Lawyers can not and should not be be the judge and jury or interject their moral beliefs.</p>
<p>^^ True, however if an attorney feels such passion for the rights of children, (as HRC reminds all of us of ad nauseam) then they should recuse themselves from such cases. Seems logical and morally right to me.</p>
<p>Emeraldkity4- what courage you have shown by sharing your experience. You must be a very strong person. Wishing you the happiest life possible.</p>
<p>“then they should recuse themselves from such cases. Seems logical and morally right to me.”</p>
<p>Perhaps. I am not sure, but if you are doing this pro-bono and you are a court appointed lawyer you may not have that choice.</p>
<p>Also, when you agree to take the case you may not know all the details. When and if you know them, it might be too late.</p>
<p>Yes Emeraldkitty I also admire your courage in sharing the incidence, and I truly am sorry.</p>
<p>12-yr. old witnesses don’t need to be mistreated in the process.</p>
<p>If you can’t get your client off w/out ruining a child, then you’re in the wrong business!</p>
<p>And then to go on and claim to be a “child advocate” is just unbelivable.</p>
<p>But then, isn’t “having it both ways” typical Clinton modus operanadi?</p>
<p>-She has “experience” b/c she was First Lady, but “Bill” won’t have a role in HER administration - right.
<p>How can SHE be a part of Bill’s equation, but HE’S not a part of hers? </p>
<p>I’m just sick of the Clinton’s talking out of both sides of their mouths. (“Depends on what your definition of “is” is”. Give me a break!).</p>
<p>^ You are too emotional.</p>
<p>I also find it funny that Hillary has no problem exploiting children in her famous 3:00am fear monger ad. </p>
<p>It is very ironic that the young child star from the ad will be old enough to vote in November, and is actively supporting and campaigning for Obama. :o</p>
<p>Why are anti-Hillary voters considered to be emotional or on steroids, but over zealous voters blinded by Hillary’s rhetoric are simply strong supporters? As Hillary has demonstrated time and time again, an easy way to avoid addressing the issues or questions raised is to attack the messenger. That is one message that we get.</p>