My son spent a year in Germany and got ‘free’ care while a resident.
This required: getting a student visa before being allowed to enter the country; getting a work visa before staring an internship: and then reporting to and registering with each local municipality when residing in a new town.
Then he had to pay his US university their fees and charges.
Then he got "free’ care in Germany. Well, unless he needed long term care for an existing condition, care for an ongoing condition contracted while in the country, surgery for a non-emergency situation etc.
In fact, he had injured his arm shortly before the planned departure. If it hadn’t healed properly the Germany government would NOT have picked up the tab for the repair or ongoing maintenance.
Would Mexico have paid to treat your student for CP?
Doubt it.
And yet this system paid for the treatment of the girl in question. Why would a system which is NOT supposed to pay for this treatment…pay for the treatment. Why is that?
Now we are getting at the truth of the matter. Willingness to bypass the regulations for the sake of ‘not looking bad’. Willingness to support the bypassing of regulations for the personal benefits derived from virtue signaling.
Willingness to ignore the long term consequences of making oneself ‘feel good’ only benefit the one getting the good feeling. That’s selfish.
@dietz199 - my daughter didn’t have or need any kind of visa for Mexico and she didn’t have her school’s insurance either. I found her experience in Mexico much easier for us, lol. She just had the same routine procedure done in her school’s main town and it cost us $345 for being “out of network”. We need a better system, but that’s another discussion.
@romani - I was just wondering if her care had changed in the 10 years or so since she came here as an infant. She may have been considered a dependent of her aunt or someone else.
Yes, medicaid pays for emergency services which is what this was. Pregnant women are admitted to the hospitals if they are in labor. The original hospital she went to couldn’t do the procedure and arranged for the ambulance with an escort and the treatment at another hospital, and the family knew they couldn’t be with her so an English speaking relative went with her.
It is a sad situation, but we would not allow an incarcerated parent out of jail to be with a child in Maine or Kentucky. Texas has hundreds of these cases every day. I’m sure they’ve had ‘ambulances’ go through check points when those inside claimed to be in need of emergency services and it was fake. We have babies and the elderly go through TSA security because, sadly, people do use their children in their cons or smuggling.
@greenwitch possible. Googling isn’t helping me find out.
I do hope she’s actually gotten care for the last 10 years. I have two close family members with different severity levels of CP. One had very little help growing up and the other was born into a wealthy family. It makes a huge difference.
Are you, actually? Yeah, ok. You seem really caring here.
I would say I would be willing to pay for however many more children who have been here their whole lives who are in need of emergency gallbladder surgery. I bet it’s not that many. It’s not their fault they were brought here and I’m not willing to advocate that they die in order to punish their parents.
The child got the medical care she needed, and the US will pay for that for her and for any other person who needs medical care if it is an emergency. What people are upset about is that the parents, who are not here with documentation, could not go with her to the second hospital. At the first hospital, the ICE agents processed the parents one at a time to allow one parent to always be with the child. They they arranged for an English speaking relative to travel with the child. The parents had the choice to stay with her and take her to Mexico for treatment, or let her go with her relative. Either way, the parents were not going to be allowed to stay in the US because they are undocumented and are scheduled to be deported.
Ding, ding, ding! Godwin’s law alert. It takes a particular type of mental gymnastics to call the people who enforce our nation’s border laws as equivalent to Nazis.
Posters on CC seem to forget that this is a rather isolated thought bubble when it comes to many issues, and tend to confuse general agreement here, with being “right”.
@dietz199 Not the first time you’ve used “virtue signaling” on this forum and you use it incorrectly or, at least in this case, when it doesn’t apply.
This piece expresses well your misuse. I know, I know, Breitbart and its ilk like to use the phrase a lot. So easy to pick up and use yourself, quite the buzzword among those who share your opinions. Might be time to focus on making some solid arguments instead of reverting to this brand of insult.
"There’s another danger in the the way the phrase is being deployed (and it’s being deployed a lot). Anyone who makes an argument that casts them in a good light can be accused of “virtue-signalling”. Anyone. That’s an awful lot of babies at risk of being thrown out with the bathwater.
In many cases, the thinking goes like this (with the left a frequent target):
Bill is saying something right-on
Virtue-signalling is when you say something right-on just to sound good
Therefore Bill is virtue-signalling
But 3. is not justified by 1. and 2. You can argue for something that happens to make you look virtuous because you genuinely think it is the best solution. That’s the case, for example, with most religious beliefs. Do we really think the pope is just virtue-signalling?
What started off as a clever way to win arguments has become a lazy put down. It’s too often used to cast aspersions on opponents as an alternative to rebutting their arguments. In fact, it’s becoming indistinguishable from the thing it was designed to call out: smug posturing from a position of self-appointed authority. “”
Well, I do find it strange that the poster chose to only mention her Asian daughter being asked, not herself and the other white people in the car, if you go back and read her initial posts, @hebegebe. If you want to call me a profiler, fine. I was just reading based on the context provided and will admit I am influenced by my own observations of family members and friends who have been racially profiled. When we travel together and one person is repeatedly pulled out of line when the others are not, it does make me aware of the prejudices that exist and profiling that occurs. It happens to way too often to be coincidence.
We all have our biases @doschicos. You are such a model of behavior most of the time (I mean that-no sarcasm here) that this is one of your rare slips.
Yes. It is bias precisely because of your experience. Your bias is that because you have seen many incidents of profiling, and therefore are ready to see it even if it doesn’t exist. Mine is because I have seen few incidents of it happening to me, my family, or my non-white friends despite living in both deep red and deep blue states, I tend to discount real situations that may have occurred to others.
Calling me caring or selfish deflects from the question and the issue at hand. It does however displace the perfect example of virtue signaling. Despite #92 attempt at to deflect by verbally gymnastics with a definition of a commonly accepted term.
Virtue Signaling : the action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one’s good character or the moral correctness of one’s position on a particular issue. The conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group.
Another incident in Oregon, similar to the first one, where ICE agents (in plain clothes) refused to identify themselves while mistakenly trying to take someone (who happens to be a US citizen in this incident) into custody for deportation:
If it is normal practice for ICE agents not to identify themselves, how does one tell the difference between real ICE agents and criminals pretending to be ICE agents in order to commit robbery or other crimes more easily?
