“The conspicuous expression of moral values done primarily with the intent of enhancing standing within a social group.”
This is where the misuse lies. And the insult. Folks are expressing what they believe is right not for show. I guess we just hold different values that are hard for you to comprehend and ascertain from your own stance. Did you read the article linked?
DUI checkpoints are set up where authorities feel they are likely to find violators. Much more likely to be set up near the bar district on a Saturday night than near the Baptist church on a Sunday morning. Is that profiling? Even if everyone gets checked and judged under the same standards?
The immigration checkpoints are set up where the authorities feel they are likely to find violators. The one I was with my daughter for was coming out of a Dodgers game. Everyone who turned down that street was stopped and asked. Profiling? I have no idea I didn’t know the neighborhood, just happened to be there. A friend’s daughter, also Chinese, was on a Greyhound bus when it was stopped and everyone on the bus asked for ID. I have no idea if anyone on the bus was white, but if they were they were asked.
My point was that ICE or other agents do ask people if they are citizens, ask for ID, but accept the answer of “Yes, I’m a citizen” when given.
An interesting reading.
Including:
“Roughly two-thirds of the United States’ population lives within the 100-mile zone—that is, within 100 miles of a U.S. land or coastal border. That’s about 200 million people.” Read on for more info on the laws, your rights, overreaches of authority. It’s good to be informed of what is legal and what isn’t. An informed citizenry is good for democracy, after all. 
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-factsheet-customs-and-border-protections-100-mile-zone
So basically, the ACLU wants to protect illegal aliens. Got it.
In other words, if you can manage to cross the border into the US, you essentially become an American citizen, since, according to the ACLU, our laws prevent us from being able to verify your legal status. Sounds like one heck of a loophole that needs fixing if you ask me.
ACLU is about protecting everyone’s civil liberties, hence the CL in the name. They even fought for the rights of the white supremacists to demonstrate in Charlottesville. In that and other areas, they are truly nonpartisan. They champion for constitutional rights and provide for a necessary check on attempts at government overreach.
If anything, I’d think you’d be arguing you can’t pick and choose which parts of the constitution to uphold.
I find it crazy that the 100 mile zone includes all coastline. Were they thinking of a German U-boat invasion when they came up with this?
That darn 4th Amendment loophole! You should write your representative about getting that good-for-nothing 4th Amendment repealed so everybody can be stopped, questioned, searched, and detained anytime for any reason so we can get those illegals out of the country.
And I have no problem with them defending the liberties of American citizens, but we are not talking about American citizens here, we are talking about illegal aliens.
If we can’t verify a person’s citizenship status for fear of infringing upon that person’s liberties, how then do you propose we identify and track down illegal immigrants in the country? Do we just let them roam around freely?
Well, that is the conundrum. I would say that no solution would include law enforcement demanding to see someone’s ID while they don’t identify themselves as law enforcement or show their own badge. That’s a no brainer!
“And I have no problem with them defending the liberties of American citizens, but we are not talking about American citizens here, we are talking about illegal aliens.”
Here’s the rub, assuming I agree that all people with feet on US soil don’t deserve some rights: When ICE is busy making stops, questioning, entering private places and making arrests without warrants (which started this thread as a reminder), etc. etc., they aren’t just doing this to illegals. They are doing it to American citizens as well. It’s not just illegals that get caught in the crosshairs of their tactics and blockades. Perhaps you don’t mind that but me and mine do. MY family and friends don’t deserve to be harassed because their skin might be a little browner.
There are many cases of illegal ‘border crossings’ by sea way up by Santa Barbara . Much more that 100 miles from Mexico. I lived in San Clemente, about 100 miles from the border, and they were patrolling the beaches because boats were dropping off people and they were swimming in. Now they have sharks so that’s not happening as much.
I can’t help remembering this case, from a few years ago, where plainclothes officers tried to detain someone who turned out to be innocent, and all the repercussions that followed.
The ABC cops were wrong from the beginning, and they compounded it by pressing charges and demeaning the victim. It could have all ended much worse too. The ICE agents waiting outside courtrooms and grabbing people “because they look like a photo” and not even identifying themselves are just asking for lots of trouble.
Imagine if a US citizen opens the door and someone claiming to be an ICE agent (but otherwise not in uniform or identifying himself/herself) enters his/her home without either permission or a warrant (perhaps in violation of the fourth amendment if s/he actually is an ICE agent) in order to take someone away. Believing that his/her castle (as in castle doctrine) is being invaded to commit a serious crime (like kidnapping), s/he pulls out a legal firearm (under the second amendment), points it at the person claiming to be an ICE agent, and …
… it can get very ugly from here, especially if an actual ICE agent ends up dead, or ends up killing someone who was not doing anything wrong.
This needs to be emphasized over and over and over again.
They are utterly trampling on the rights of people who have every RIGHT to be here- whether they be citizens or on a visa. When you start just arbitrarily* detaining people (as they did in the Ann Arbor story I posted earlier), you are breaking the law.
*And of course we all know it’s not actually arbitrary. There is a very specific pattern to the people getting caught in these drag nets.
Since US citizens are not required to carry anything that proves their citizenship under typical circumstances, verifying the US citizenship of someone on the street would be a cumbersome intrusive error-prone process.
Would you be in favor of mandatory carrying of national ID cards or some such to simplify such enforcement with respect to people on the street?
No need to be mandatory carry–but if you choose not to carry you might have to be detained until verified.
My youngest is in college in AZ and I told her to have her ID on her at all times. No need to cross a LE person who might want to be making an example of someone. That being said, I don’t think it’s legal for them to do that.
There are youtube videos of people, always white men it seems, who quote the constitution and refuse to cooperate at those ICE checkpoints that are on the roads. Could you get away with that if you had an accent? Nope.
That’s disturbing.
Guess it’s time to round up the brown kids en masse because they don’t readily have IDs. Even birth certificates and social security cards might be in safes at a bank.
What if you live alone and no one can get your IDs? Guess it sucks to suck. Should’ve considered the fact that you might be arbitrarily detained.
It amazes me that the same people who whine about government overreach can be the same people who are in favor of detaining people because they look like they might be undocumented. (Ie brown)
You seem very sure of yourself. Based upon what, exactly?
Exaggeration is alive and well on this thread.