Some good info here! Thank you! Their % minority students really lags the top 10 schools. Just one factor that DA cannot account for. Obviously a couple aspects play into this like the recent changes from the Supreme Court.
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Believe me, I have my fingers crossed for her!
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Wow. She sounds amazing. I hope she gets in!
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Yes, I know thatās the process for Auto DA. I was told that IU Admissions (for the whole university) recalculates GPA for all IU applicants. What Iām saying is they could use their own recalculated GPA instead of going by whatever happens to be on the transcript.
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Google & the Kelley website are good places to start.
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Thx. I worked in institutional research for Columbia University. Thereās a lot of interesting data that doesnāt get published. The process seems to work well for Kelley. I would argue that it could be better but thatās just my opinion.
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IU admissions does NOT recalculate GPAs.
Grades in academic classes
Your cumulative GPA, as well as the grades you have earned in the 34 courses required for admission, will be an important part of the application review process. If your school computes a weighted GPA and includes this GPA on your transcript, we will consider it as part of our review for both the admission and scholarship processes.
If your school does not report a 6-semester cumulative GPA on your transcript, we will not consider a high school transcript GPA as part of your application review.
If you have transferred high schools, please consult with your current high school to understand if a cumulative GPA is calculated including your previous work. Per the information above, if a 6-semester cumulative GPA is not included on your transcript, we will not consider a high school transcript GPA as part of your application review.
It does appear that Institutional reporting calculates some type of average GPA for the CDS. But that would not be the GPA used in admissionsā¦because admissions doesnāt recalculate GPAs.
I will defer to @momof4kidās expertise, but I know a number of schools where the CDS average GPA is not reflective of whatās used in admissions decisions. The making of the sausage for CDS avg GPA can be shocking, including mixing of weighted and unweighted GPAs directly from transcripts, mixing GPAs that do and do not include core classes, assigning any wGPA above 4.0 as an unweighted 4.0, and on and on (those are some of the ways various IR peeps have told me they calculate CDS GPA.) Seems more noble to just not answer that question in the CDS (which many schools donāt.)
University Admissions vs Kelley.
UA: Every school reclalcs GPA based on its input formula including students from that high school who enrolled at IU and how they performed at IU. Nobody cares about weighted or number of APs etc. or very few do in reality. All are trying to match you to high school equivalents with software today.
Kelley: Kelley gets the scoring from University Admissions on the entire app then does their own brief read. They donāt weigh anything more or less but they are mostly only evaluating gpa/sat.
That was @jefrobertson in December. Iām no authority on IUās procedures; my point is that the way they use non-standardized transcript GPA for Auto DA is weird. At least the SAT is standardized. At any rate, it works for them but obviously not for all of us. Good luck to all petitioners!
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There are many, many schools that do not recalculate GPAs. Perhaps IU changed their process in the last two years.
Anyway, they have talked for several years about increasing the both the DA GPA and test score, one AO even told me that directly two years ago. Not sure why it hasnāt been changed.
At my kidsā HS (large, everyone knows its name), students with a w3.8 GPA are in the 3rd quartile of the class. Iām not saying those kids donāt succeed at IU Kelley, but just showing an example of how many students do qualify for DA (assuming they have the test score to go with it, which most do at this school.)
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Yeah, my kidās situation is that he has the GPA and far surpasses the test score, but his school doesnāt print a GPA on the transcript so off to petitionland he goes! Oh well. Heās lucky to have other great options, since his chances for DA are slim.
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Exactly. Everyone on here is saying what IU does wrong. Spend your money elsewhere if you feel that way and certainly where they donāt have the stress of having to achieve something the first year. College is stressful enough without added pressure.
For 90% of these kids -IU, Ohio State, Delaware, Arizona - itās not going to matter.
Think about who you work with ā¦ Iām guessing itās varied, low and high ranked, even at top levels.
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My daughter was admitted to IU. She was a transfer student her sophomore year of high school and submitted transcripts from both schools. Her current high school does not include her previous grades in their cumulative GPA. Based on what you are saying, can I assume her grades were not considered part of her admissions to IU? Seems crazy.
I think what IU is saying is they look at the courses, rigor, grades but donāt calculate a GPA (or use the GPAs that might be on each transcript) for students with multiple transcripts.
You are both talking about two different concepts. For admission purposes on evaluation, IU uses historical data to ārecalculate.ā This happens at pretty much every school. Thatās a different concept than Kelley auto admit which they use the transcript.
Yes, I have stated repeatedly that I understand how Kelley uses GPA.
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What does this mean? To my knowledge IU is not taking grades from transcripts and manipulating in a consistent way to get a ārecalculatedā GPA. They use GPAs from the transcripts. The information I posted above is for IU, not Kelley (which I think everyone knows what they are doing with transcripts.)
It means most schools use historical applications to try to get to apples to apples on transcript evaluation. A 4.0 at one high school is not the same as another high school. Same with rigor, itās not I took 33 APs, itās what was my rigor in the context of the high school. Then it scores the application on academics. They donāt actually care about a GPA when I write ārecalculateā as a numerical concept. Itās part of the evaluation before the read throughs.
Thanks for the clarification. I agree they are looking at an applicantās GPA and rigor within the context of their HS class. They are not comparing GPAs across schools.
My kid got deferred for Prebusinessā¦ 7APs, 12honors, low400s SAT (his school SAT avg is 1240) . His school is top 20 school in the state, can take APās only from 10th grade and they generally restrict kids from taking too many APās. 7-10 for the high AP takers and most 3-5APs. His schoolās historical scoir data shows 100% acceptances many with lower GPA and SAT scores than him and is generally a safety school for most decent applicants esp with its historical high acceptance rate. No one knows how these pan out on an individual basis. My kid has been accepted to many schools (Rutgers NB Business School, PSU, MSU (Prebusiness with merit aid), University of Minnesota Twin cities (non-business major/ waitlisted at UMass Amherst Business school, deferred at OSU Fisher Business school) with higher ranking than IU. Getting Kelley admittance (following petition review) is definitely a hard reach for him and would be lucky to get it but Prebusiness deferral was a surprise for sure! Ultimately with so many thousands of applicants to review, there is a lot of subjectivity of AOās in decision making that plays a significant role beyond an applicantās profile.
That use to be the case but with increasing interest and those applying with the stats for DA they just donāt have as many slots open. They really donāt know how each year will shake out until they start receiving applications. Tell your daughter that if Kelleybis her top choice, standard admit freshman year is very doable.