<p>qwilde - not being obnoxious, this is a serious question. Why does it matter that god gave us free will if like the OP said, our path has been chosen for us anyway?</p>
<p>JyankeesSS2 you beat me to the creator paradox. I deplore my internet connection.</p>
<p>yourbfwants me, I just refuted everything you just said in 2 sentences.</p>
<p>Where The Hell Did The Universe Come From???</p>
<p>jennyanne is the type of atheist I like. Keeps it to herself. Doesn’t push her beliefs onto others. Now if religious people could do the same…</p>
<p>god doesnt have to be a physical (or spiritual) entity that exists outside our world. god is an idea that our mind. people who criticize religion and support science are the biggest hypocrites. yes no one has seen god, but have they seen atoms or the chemical processes that occur all around us. putting your belief in something that you have never seen is something every one of us do everyday. why should it be any different for someone who believes in god?</p>
<p>oh and remember a little thing called occam’s razor… “All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one.” god creating the universe (although i dont believe this) looks like a much more simpler explanation than the big bang theory</p>
<p>no you didnt. God created the universe. the universe had a beginning.</p>
<p>GOD did not have a beginning. He is. thats all there is to it. He cant die and thus he cant have a beginning.</p>
<p>hoodhopper, where the hell did GOD come from? CIRCULAR ARGUMENT!!</p>
<p>Don’t call jyankees ignorant for not believing in your religion. As far as I’m concerned, the existence of God is unknown to me and everyone else. But what I do know is that organized religion is evil and wrong. I refuse to believe in a cult that basis itself on old sexist men from 2000+ years ago. All religion does it provide hope to people who are scared, cures the human curiousity about death, and controls people (from doing evil, etc). And those were the good things sadly; the evils of religion are seen by the wars it causes and the discrimination it promotes.</p>
<p>omg…you are ■■■■■■■■…thats why you can never argue about God’s existence…I ALREADY TOLD YOU GOD JUST EXISTS…he doesnt have to be created…if he was created by something then why would he be God. GOD JUST IS…he exists. You cant use human logic to describe something that is above all that.</p>
<p>someone kill this thread</p>
<p>qwilde:</p>
<p>Evidently, you have failed to grasp the logic. If god is almighty and lies above all dimensions then god would not even be a link in a chain, but would affect every step in all chains. If someone prayed and god actually listened then the prayer would never have occured because god would have changed what needed to be changed.</p>
<p>good argument. the whole praying/fixing the problem is part of the plan. it may not sound like the most efficient way of doing things, but it serves a purpose that nobody yet knows about. people who have faith are willing to believe in this purpose’s validity, although they do not yet understand it.</p>
<p>hoodhopper, you’re saying absolutely nothing. you can’t just claim he exists and expect me to accept your belief. You’re totally naive.</p>
<p>For god to exist, it would have to be all-powerful. That in itself is a paradox. Can god create a rock so heavy that god can’t lift it? If no then god is not allmighty and if yes then god is not allmighty.</p>
<p>How can you assert that atheism is attributed to ignorance? Some of our greatets minds- Einstein, Darwin, and Hawkings- never believed in god.</p>
<p>“omg…you are ■■■■■■■■…thats why you can never argue about God’s existence…I ALREADY TOLD YOU GOD JUST EXISTS…he doesnt have to be created…if he was created by something then why would he be God. GOD JUST IS…he exists. You cant use human logic to describe something that is above all that.”</p>
<p>I love your arguments. You remind me of Stalin/Hitler, telling people to mindlessly believe in something based on nothing.</p>
<p>Edit: Don’t misintepret this. I’m not saying you’re like Stalin or Hitler, rather showing you how pointless your arguments are. Blind faith is an excuse for lack of proof and has only been shown to do one thing in history–control.</p>
<p>i was having some problems with my internet did my post come through?</p>
<p>it’s long gone Pyar</p>
<p>The administrators will delete this thread, as they did last time.</p>
<p>hes not telling people to mindlessly believe him.</p>
<p>hes stating fact. its true GOD JUST IS. Hence the title, “The GReat I Am”</p>
<p>i already told you: the universe didnt just appear…there is an all-powerful source, God, who created the universe, and thats why i believe in him. If you ask me one more time “who created God” i already told you…the chain of creation has to end somewhere and it ends with God. Thats all there is to it.</p>