<p>A** means “attitude”, I assume?</p>
<p>Would I rather have a president who tried pot in college or one who tied the family dog to the roof of the car before setting off on vacation?
My daughter had better judgement than that at 18, which is why I trusted her when she set off for India for her gap year.</p>
<p>I don’t know what a whoopie pie is, but I have a feeling it isn’t like my grandmothers marionberry pie.</p>
<p>Just looked it up.
Hmm, not a chocolate fan usually.</p>
<p>Or one that bullied a schoolmate to such extreme…and still thinks nothing of it. </p>
<p>I never met a pot smoker that was known for bullying! LOL Now, indulging in a few Whoopie Pies too many…absolutely!</p>
<p>^^ I would rather not have one that tasted dogs but I don’t seem to control the mood swings in this country that prevented a woman from getting elected president first. I am still upset over 2008 primaries but that is just me.</p>
<p>jnmva - Can you afford the Dangerfield style of immoderate schooling in Back to School? I especially liked the Kurt Vonnegut cameo in it.</p>
<p>I think it’s possible a whoopie pie addiction could be a sign of a larger problem. According to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at the Ivy League’s Columbia University, compulsive overeating is often associated with alcohol and drug abuse. So as much as we all might want to kid about these things (and I’m certainly guilty of this), it’s important to discuss moderation with our kids and step in when we think they are abusing any substance, whether it be whoopie pies, chocolate milk or Manischewitz wine.</p>
<p>Well, what about the effects of forced moderation? Look at what has happened in European countries when austerity measures are passed and governments are forced to moderate their spending too quickly Surely too much is not always a good thing? Excess caused so many rpoblems, but living within their means (or worse) is killing Ireland and Greece.</p>
<p>Pfft, we all know Columbia’s not really an Ivy.</p>
<p>What happened again, in the 2008 primaries? My memory isn’t so good. I think it goes back to my immoderate days. I’d like to blame it on the Woodstock generation. I believe, as others have posted here, that today’s generation is probably more conservative than ours, and probably need less moderating, or helicoptering, whichever term you feel better using.</p>
<p>Neither Cornell nor Brown.</p>
<p>Speaking of tippling the Manischewitz and communion wine . . .DS’s godmother admitted that she used to hoard communion wafers (never mentioned guzzling the wine, although I wouldn’t put it past her) She said that the priest would give them to her as long as they weren’t blessed because “The Host” wasn’t actually present in the wafer until after the . . . whatever goes on. When they were just rolls of wafers in storage they were fair game.</p>
<p>I personally would get closer to God eating one of those Amish whoopie pies, but to each their own. I guess the Amish are immoderate in some things. Speaking of . . . it’s alway the Amish who are getting pulled over for drag racing their buggies and bullying one another by cutting off another’s beard. Growing up in an environment of outward austerity does not necessarily mean good judgment and prudence in all things in the teen and young adult years.</p>
<p>How do you guide and check in without being preachy or draconian. It seems the the more draconian the rules, the more likely those living under them are to go completely off the rails . . . just sayin’</p>
<p>Why oh why do people always being up where liberals go to school yet conservatives get a pass and can be seen as good ol’ boys with degrees from Yale and Harvard. If the true elitism comes from the undergrad then haven’t the last few contenders and actual Pres been just as elite or more than two guys from working class families that bettered themselves from education?</p>
<p>Saintgan, what do you do with a group of rebels that now have no respect for rules? Just let them run amok?</p>
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Moderation in the offspring is inversely proportional to immoderation of the parents in their youth…I get the feeling that several parents here can provide evidence.<a href=“Raising%20my%20hand!”>/quote</a> My mom believed alcohol was the devil. Sounded intriguing to my 14-year-old rebellious self. (…and so it began)</p>
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<p>Case in point: Rumspringa, when Amish adolescents may engage in rebellious behavior, resisting or defying parental norms. Behaviors may include:</p>
<p>Wearing non-traditional clothing and hair styles (“dressing English”)
Driving vehicles other than horse-drawn vehicles
Not attending home prayer
Drinking and/or using recreational drugs
Engaging in pre-marital sex</p>
<p>Suffice it to say California, New York, Texas, Florida etc which contribute all delegates in a real election did not seem to matter whatsoever in the delegate splitting process where someone cornering all the votes in tiny states won the election because they also got a large chunk of delegates by being second in the large states.</p>
<p>I have a question for those familiar with Amish. Say a kid goes wild during rumspringa and a girl gets pregnant. If she then comes back in the fold, is the child accepted so long as the child is raised Amish, or are there repercussions? Do the Amish ever ask for things like child support, or government assistance such as TANF or food stamps?</p>
<p>I would say make the rules more reasonable and keep an open dialogue - maybe start with marriage for the priesthood, damp campuses, and safe sex education.</p>
<p>oops, crosspost</p>
<p>MizzBee I think you are conflating the Amish thing with the FLDS</p>
<p>Probably not. Wonder what the Amish stance would be if she chose to have an abortion?</p>
<p>No, the Amish towns in my state seem to be very keep to themselves so much that I can’t imagine them applying for government assistance. </p>
<p>Maybe I will post this in a thread in Parents Cafe since we have so many experts about everything here on CC.</p>
<p>Marionberry pie? Is that like “special brownies?”</p>
<p>I have known several pregnant Amish girls and they have all been accepted. One remained single but joined the church and lived with her parents. But, it was Kind of an Open secret That she would have never been able to find a husband anyway. (she was very slow and probably got taken advantage of.)</p>
<p>No absolutely not they would never do government assistance except maybe in cases of kids with severe disability. They do use our local MRDD and programs like “help me grow.” But Amish have their own health insurance. Everyone pays what they can afford and when one gets sick and there isn’t enough it is advertised locally and in the Budget newspaper which is distributed nationally. Wow, what a novel idea! Everyone paying what they can afford and ensuring everyone gets treated! ;)</p>
<p>And the ones that cut the beards were a shunned breakaway cult with a narcissistic leader. </p>
<p>But in my opinion they do make the best whoopie pies, buttermilk cookies and mashed potatoes. They also make this crushed icy fruit stuff that is great.</p>