<p>So Stanford’s yield is up. Harvard’s yield is up slightly. With all this talk of so many more applications to multiple Ivy League schools this year, you would think some of the Ivy’s yields have to be down. If not, I suspect there is some “cooking of the books” going on.</p>
<p>Sure are a lot of ultra elite schools going to waitlist. I agree it sounds a bit “cooking” of admit rates.</p>
<p>^That’s old news.</p>
<p>Cardfan:</p>
<p>About that “cooking the books” idea: I heard that a larger than ever percentage of high school students are applying to colleges this year (>70%) , even though the number of students is flat. There are also many more international students than ever before.</p>
<p>What is “cooking the books”? I have never heard of that phrase before.</p>
<p>it’s just slang for manipulating the numbers. </p>
<p>Colleges “care” a great deal about their yield (the higher the yield, the more selective it is, presumably). Therefore, they want to have a high yield. Yield is based on the number of students who accept the offer to attend. No school gets 100% of those who are offered acceptance to actually accept. One reason a yield is high is because students choose to go to “that” school over other acceptances. If you’re “cooking the books”, you’re manipulating the numbers to make it seem “your” colleges is more desirable.</p>
<p>What is the status with Ithaca college? I am currently waitlisted there, and have not heard back yet.</p>
<p>I am surprised to see the number of schools reported slowing down yesterday and today. I thought we would steamroll through a long list of schools this week.</p>
<p>Question</p>
<p>Does going to waitlist affect admits/yield…?</p>
<p>Meaning it IS and offer of Admission…(even if its offered in a second round kind of way)
So wouldn’t that waitlist admit–still be an offer of admission and acceptance…and then part of the yield calculation?</p>
<p>Ah, playing with the numbers. It’s a bit like the number on American defense spending. You can see big numbers (57%!!!) or little numbers (less than 19%!) – it depends on what you put into the pile to be counted (in this example, do you count the interest that is being paid on war bonds and other financial instruments used to pay for past military expenses? Is interest a “military” expense or a “financial” expense?). Fascinating stuff that can be argued many ways. </p>
<p>So it goes with this admission yield stuff. There is no “industry standard” for reporting, so you can bet that the numbers released to the media/publishing companies are going to smell as sweet as possible. Perhaps there is even a “Numbers aromatic enhancement” staff position . . . I know I’d have one if my department’s well being depended upon it!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, we tend our little onions and wonder what any of this means for our little world.</p>
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<p>Yes, it is part of the yield calculation but the key point is that it’s a bit like catching fish in a barrel. During the initial rounds, a school may be competing against another 8 schools (just for example purposes) for a student. By the time May rolls around, the kid has rejected many of these schools AND accepted a spot on School X’s waiting list. So, while no guarantee that a kid coming off a waiting list will ultimately select School X, it should be understood that their odds have improved thus (over a bunch of similar wait list decisions) have improved their yield percentage. </p>
<p>Those schools that purposely (beyond any reasonable statistical measure) under-enroll kids are treating kids on wait lists unethically in my viewpoint.</p>
<p>I’m actually surprised by how many top schools don’t seem to be going to the WL given all the talk about students applying to so many yields would go down.</p>
<p>Indiana University-Bloomington went to waitlist</p>
<p>Heard from a friend on Amherst’s WL, who called–they will not be going to the WL this year.</p>
<p>Didn’t U.S. News & World Report stop using yield in their rankings because so many schools were manipulating the numbers? </p>
<p>I guess schools can take the position that they can calculate yield any way they please because there is no universal standard.</p>
<p>Adding American University</p>
<p>American University
Bard
Barnard
Bates
Brandeis
Bryn Mawr
Bucknell
California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo (only)
Carleton
Carnegie Mellon
Chicago
Columbia
College of Wm and Mary
Davidson
Drexel
Duke
Elon University
Emory
Franklin & Marshall College
Furman
Georgetown
Georgia Tech
Hamilton College
Hampshire College
Harvard College
Ithaca College
James Madison University
Juilliard (violin specifically; not sure of other disciplines)
Lafayette College
Loyola Maryland
McGill
Middlebury College
MIT
Mount Holyoke Colege
Northeastern University
Princeton
Providence College
Rensselaer Polytechnic institute (RPI)
Rice
Smith College
St Lawrence University
Stanford
Syracuse
Texas A&M University
UC Davis
UC Santa Barbara
University of Connecticut
University of Delaware
University of Miami
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Richmond
University of Texas at Austin
University of Virginia (currently only for CLAS and SEAS)
Vanderbilt
Villanova
Washington & Lee
Wesleyan
Williams College
Yale</p>
<p>unbelievable, All the top + ivys are going to the waitlist and Umich says they won’t ?? hard to understand.</p>
<p>^A bunch of Columbia SEAS kids have gotten emails that the class is full and no WL activity will be necessary this year…But here’s hoping!</p>
<p>it isn’t super surprising umich won’t go to their waitlist and haven’t had to much over the years…they do a good enough job the first time lol</p>
<p>Does anyone know if Oberlin is going to use its waitlist this year?</p>