<p>"“Don’t criticize the Chinese for anything suspicious!..”"</p>
<p>Of course. As an American, you don’t even understand the concept of innocence until proven guilty. Laying blame by suspicion is a no, no…</p>
<p>"“I don’t like any cheaters. It’s obvious, however, that some people are extremely sensitive about suggestions that any Chinese person may have cheated. If I find out that an American athlete has cheated, I will be angry–at the cheater.”"</p>
<p>Take a glance at your double-standards, you canbe suspicious at Chinese, but you have to “find out” before getting angry with an American cheater. This is hypocrisy.</p>
<p>An American is innocent until proven guilty. Same for the 16 year-old girl, Ye, as well as Chinese in general.</p>
<p>"“It’s pointless to argue that the Chinese are not cheaters since the Chinese actually are cheaters.”"</p>
<p>The above must be one of the all-time cheap-shots for the CC forum. I don’t want to stoop down to your level. :-)</p>
<p>"“Unfortunately, the Chinese have been caught cheating. That’s their choice but also their consequences.”"</p>
<p>Can you even comprehend the concept of, there are a spectrum of Chinese? You would be quick to point out that American cheaters are just bad apples.</p>
<p>"“Cheating is cheating is cheating Sam Lee. Is there anyone who is claiming that Dunn is not a cheater?”"</p>
<p>The funny thing is in this case, you said “Dunn” is a cheater, but careful not to say “Americans” are cheaters.</p>
<p>I think they should all be allowed to use whatever they like. This is the 21st Century, and we are in the pharmaceuical age, and the athletes could use the money for endorsements from the drug companies. The substances used to hide doping may be more dangerous than the drugs themselves. Why do we want to encourage cheating?</p>
<p>But here’s the real thing that I think is going on in this kind of discussion, and that Sam Lee and others don’t seem to get: Americans aren’t suspicious of athletes who are ethnically Chinese–we’re suspicious of the Chinese government. The gymnast age controversy was a prime example, because the cheating would have to involve connivance by government authorities, since it was based on false documents. The US government is not entangled with Olympic athletes in the same way the Chinese government is.</p>
<p>If this was a serious question- he is retired and is now doing triathlons again, except that he can’t because of the doping accusations against him. He hasn’t competed in the Olympics for years.</p>
<p>So why not a comeback? And I thought they aren’t accusations anymore - haven’t they already been adjudicated by the agency that oversees his sport? (I’m sure he can sue - but then anybody can sue.)</p>
<p>Exactly! I’ve always said that in the US, the other athlete’s parents would keep everyone honest…Some mom would be on TV sayins “Back in 2nd grade, Tiffany was competing in my daughter’s division, and now my daughter is 14 - how can Tiffany be 16?”</p>
<p>Back to bashing NBC’s gymnastics coverage. I guess I sort of got what I wished for - for NBC to cover the Brit’s surprise medal and the Japanese dismount issue. [Watching the replays, he should NOT have been given credit for the dismount!] But I didn’t want it to be to the exclusion of showing how our guys fought to the end, giving three terrific high bar performances. From the coverage, it looked like Jonathan Horton didn’t compete at all.</p>
<p>Armstrong was charged by the USADA, but the case hasn’t been concluded. Armstrong is suing, challenging the jurisdiction of the USADA. Normally, a person who is charged either accepts the punishment or challenges the charges in arbitration–neither of those things has happened yet.</p>
<p>“”…that Sam Lee and others don’t seem to get: Americans aren’t suspicious of athletes who are ethnically Chinese–we’re suspicious of the Chinese government.“”</p>
<p>You are only shifting your goal post, since you can’t defend blaming Chinese in general.</p>
<p>Here is an article from Lohn addressing the situation.</p>
<p>"I’m deeply proud to be an American, but there was an element of embarrassment while reading the commentary section. Considering the performance-enhancing drug issues which have plagued the United States in recent years, who are we to cast aspersions? Let me throw out a few names: Barry Bonds. Mark McGwire. Floyd Landis. Get the message?</p>
<p>One of the big reasons for the doubt surrounding Ye is the fact that her freestyle split nearly matched what Lochte clocked for his final two laps. Basically, few could wrap their mind around a woman – a young girl in Ye’s case – being within three hundredths of a second of the best male swimmer in the world. Yet, a strong finish is her trademark.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that Ye Shiwen has been found guilty of nothing, except for possessing a ridiculous amount of talent. Instead of dirtying her achievement with unfounded claims and doubts, it would be wiser to appreciate a performance which was legendary. Going the other way is not only unfair to Ye Shiwen, but to any athlete who delivers a similar effort of epic proportions."</p>
<p>Man, the anti Chinese sentiment here is disconcerting. Both Chinese and American athletes have cheated before (several times), but generalizing to “all Chinese are cheaters” is not a fair statement, and likely false (if you find 1 among 6 billion people who doesn’t cheat). Ad hominen statements usually are false.</p>
<p>The woman in question swam in very similar fashion in previous competitions. Perhaps it was due to the adrenaline (a huge factor) of being in the olympics that she was so fast in the last leg, perhaps something else. I will give her the benefit of the doubt until more information is given about her testing. I would like people to give me that benefit if I was in her shoes and I think we should treat people as we would like to be treated.</p>
<p>If it was an American swimmer, you wouldn’t want someone to say all Americans are cheaters, because you are likely not one. This is a very enjoyable thread on the Olympics, let’s keep it that way, and not insult entire countries for 1 athlete.</p>
Not me. I’ve always distrusted the Chinese government. I think the athletes do what they’re told–they’re essentially government employees. This is not the case in the US.</p>
<p>I wish you wouldn’t try to make this about race, because it isn’t. It’s not even about culture, really. It’s about politics.</p>
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Well, whose fault is that? Not his, and not mine. The fault is with the past cheaters, and with the government authorities behind them.</p>
<p>Note: evidence that this isn’t about race is that the Chinese are now facing the same kind of suspicion that the East Germans used to face. The suspicion is that there is authorized cheating. If this makes you feel bad, I’m sorry.</p>
<p>Also money, Hunt. There is a great deal of cheating in American and other international athletics because many of the athletes aren’t truly amateur anymore.</p>
<p>And Ye’s denials are also believable. Those poor East German girls were told they were taking vitamins…they did as they were told and had serious health issues later in life.</p>