<p>^^^ Here, here - the words that were forming in my mouth exactly. Or start a separate thread for the controversial discussion at hand.</p>
<p>Roddick, as expected, is losing horribly.</p>
<p>I am also disappointed in the “Lochte is a failure because he came in 4th” slant of the coverage. He actually had the 3rd fastest time but two swimmers tied. Can they mention that even once? I’m surprised his family didn’t bring that up on the Today show.</p>
<p>Zoozermom, I don’t know how to quote. The generalization I was talking about is “It’s pointless to argue that the Chinese are not cheaters since the Chinese actually are cheaters.”</p>
<p>Perhaps it needs to be clarified that when people refer to “the Chinese” in the context of the Olympics, they are referring to athletes from the People’s Republic of China? Nobody is suggesting that Ariel Hsing is a cheater. (Did anybody catch her playing table tennis against Xiaoxia Li? It’s the first truly amazing thing I’ve seen in these Olympics so far. I don’t know how you could cheat in that sport, unless there’s a drug that increases eye-hand coordination.)</p>
<p>““I think the swimming community is thinking that is nearly impossible to increase your personal best by 5 seconds on a split.””</p>
<p>Not true. Please, for example, read these articles, much of the swimming community supporting Ye.</p>
<p>“Swimmers Defend Teen Sensation Ye”, [Swimmers</a> defend teen sensation Ye - IOL Sport | IOL.co.za](<a href=“http://www.iol.co.za/sport/more-sport/swimmers-defend-teen-sensation-ye-1.1353010#.UBfyDaBnVPE]Swimmers”>http://www.iol.co.za/sport/more-sport/swimmers-defend-teen-sensation-ye-1.1353010#.UBfyDaBnVPE) </p>
<p>“Aussie Coaches Defend Chinese Swimmer Ye Shiwen’s Feats”, [Aussie</a> coaches defend Chinese swimmer Ye Shiwen’s feats | The Courier-Mail](<a href=“http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/london-olympics/chinese-schoolgirl-shiwen-ye-swimming-faster-than-men/story-fn9di2lk-1226438946789]Aussie”>http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/london-olympics/chinese-schoolgirl-shiwen-ye-swimming-faster-than-men/story-fn9di2lk-1226438946789)</p>
<p>"“I wish you wouldn’t try to make this about race, because it isn’t. It’s not even about culture, really. It’s about politics.”"</p>
<p>And you are only shifting your goal post again, since you can’t defend blaming Chinese in general. Your other messages are still in the earlier pages of this thread. This isn’t the first time you back-paddle into politics.</p>
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That’s not even remotely the same thing as “all Chinese are cheaters.”</p>
<p>all: the whole of
the: used, especially before a noun, with a specifying or particularizing effect, as opposed to the indefinite or generalizing force of the indefinite article a or an </p>
<p>I hope that is more clear fo rou.</p>
<p>Well, if Ariel Hsing isn’t a cheater, then that statement is still false, Hunt. Why not saying, I think swimmer X is a cheater. </p>
<p>And, let’s try to keep this thread open. Did anyone watch the female diving too? Pretty impressive.</p>
<p>"“That’s not even remotely the same thing as “all Chinese are cheaters.””</p>
<p>Sure, “the Chinese” is less incriminating than “all Chinese”. Is this elementary school? :-)</p>
<p>The boxer from Staten Island lost in the first round yesterday. It was a pretty sad day for his family and friends. But great on him for getting to the Olympics.</p>
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Well you are certainly behaving as if that’s where you are. Why don’t you stop it?</p>
<p>The Chinese ARE cheaters. Systematically. The Americans ARE cheaters, albeit for what I believe to be different reasons. I would say money versus honor.</p>
<p>"“The Chinese ARE cheaters. Systematically. The Americans ARE cheaters, albeit for what I believe to be different reasons. I would say money versus honor.”"</p>
<p>Thanks for making my day. :-)</p>
<p>“The Chinese” grammatically implies you are talking about them as a whole (you didn’t say Chinese athletes/swimmers/etc which would still be false since there is 0 evidence that all Chinese athletes are cheaters, or not more than evidence American athletes are). </p>
<p>There is no evidence Chinese athletes or people are cheaters, some individuals are. It was an ad hominen statement and just like we don’t say “Americans are cheaters” if 1 person cheats same applies for other countries. Treat others as you want to be treated. But, I made my point before.</p>
<p>Let’s move on before this thread is closed, shall we? Swimming finals today at 1:30. Looking forward to it.</p>
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<p>Agreed. Those who want to continue the ‘cheating’ discussion, please start a separate thread. </p>
<p>Melissa Tancredi just scored her fourth goal of the tournament to even the score at 2-2 Canada against Sweden with five minutes to go!</p>
<p>Was in Canada for the Fri-Monday - their excitement for their athletes on their broadcasts is heartwarming - they were bursting with pride at the first Canadian woman’s soccer win and gushing with pride over their first medal, a bronze I believe.</p>
<p>I don’t think Chinese people are intrinsically more likely to cheat than anybody else. My comments are aimed at those Chinese athletes who are employees of the government of the People’s Republic of China. You can pretend othewise all you like, or you can simply admit that you’re defending the Chinese government, which you are certainly free to do.</p>
<p>And it’s certainly possible that some athletes are cheating without even knowing that they are, as apparently was the case with some East Germans in the past.</p>
<p>Is it just me or is water polo hard to follow?</p>
<p>Someone from SI was in the Olympics? REPRESENT.</p>
<p>Did anyone see the now infamous man on the street interview with Evander Holyfield? Pretty funny, no?</p>