Looking for some help

I have a daughter (14) who has been studying music since she was very little. She is doing very well, winning competitions, etc. and has already decided on her career path in music (instrumental, performance) and is planning to apply to the top music schools.

I feel like I need to talk to someone about her path, and what she needs to be doing (and when) to get where she wants to go. I know there’s a lot of experienced people here but I don’t want to do this on a public forum.

I guess I’m looking for a consultant. The ideal person would be someone who’s child was doing advanced musical studies through high school, went on to a well regarded music school/conservatory and is now a professional musician. Or a professional musician who has a successful career. (Successful meaning they are earning their living as a musician, performing, teaching, recording, YT channel, what have you.)

Does anyone know of a consultant like this? Maybe a very savvy parent whose child has recently (within last 5-10 years) done this and would be willing to talk with me outside of this forum? Or even better, a working professional that would be willing to talk to me? I am not sure how to find this person.

Thanks if you can point me in the right direction. Feel free to direct message me :slight_smile:

My understanding is that music teachers have their network. Maybe her violin or piano teacher knows someone? My son’s private teacher is not famous or anything but her teachers (from her college years) are highly regarded and know people. She asked my son to record several pieces and sent to her professors, then they recommended him to apply to some summer programs, from there he started his own network and talked to many people several years ahead of him and watched their paths. It worked out quite well.

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My senior is applying to conservatives now. I don’t know a consultant but this book helped me initially: College Prep for Musicians: A Comprehensive Guide for Students, Parents, Teachers, and Counselors https://a.co/d/11erA5L. It explains the overall process starting from the earlier high school years.

The biggest help has been my D’s current teacher. Her previous teacher wasn’t connected at all. Her current one is in our city’s orchestra and taught at the University level. He also was the student of some amazing teachers. She had practice lessons at top schools and that’s where she’s applying.

This is my favorite of the old threads by @BassDad So You Want To Be Music Major - One Family's Experience

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I had 2 kids go through the process. If you don’t have a primary music teacher that is regularly launching students to post secondary music programs, I would consider that the best starting point. If you have a local college or university with a music department, faculty there that might have private studios as well might be a good place to look. That was the single most valuable resource in our process.

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Our kid is a self supporting freelance professional musician. He got his best advice from people who knew his playing well…not some random consultant. He was in a precollege orchestra and wind ensemble and that director was terrific in giving guidance. His private applied teacher on his primary instrument was the first chair in our symphony orchestra and knew tons of people all over the country at many many universities. Our kid’s HS instrumental teacher was also terrific, and had experience providing this sort of excellent advice over a number of years.

Clearly, all of the above folks were successful musicians and were self supporting doing their music.

So I will ask you…

  1. Does your student have a high level private teacher on their instrument?
  2. Does your student play in any ensembles outside of school?
  3. Is there a precollege music program near you that your student could become part of?

You will get fabulous input from people who know your kid and how they play.

I’ll add, my kids both went to a high level music camp for three years, then the musician went to BUTI for two years. Again. Developed excellent relations and connections with his private teachers and the ensemble directors at all.

I’m not going to say I’m an expert, but I’ve been through the process once (son currently studies at Curtis) and have another kid in the precollege pipeline. I’ve helped a bunch of families in my kids’ precollege and scholarship programs and would be happy to offer what I can. (No charge of course since I am not an expert, just a parent!) My kids are string players (violin and viola), so that is what I know best.

I’ll add…for my musician and all of his performer friends…the single most important thing when looking for colleges was the applied private teacher. Second was the quality of the ensembles and the ensemble conductors.

When he was looking for college programs (he started in 9th grade) he started asking around. Not a surprise, but some of the same names of private teachers, and same colleges kept coming up over and over…and that gave my kid a lot of guidance.

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I also value privacy so will PM you!

Hello all, thank you so much for your responses. Got sick right after I posted this, so couldn’t respond. Going to start reading through today or tomorrow (still don’t feel that great.) Just after I posted, I got referred to someone in my network that might actually be the perfect person to talk to. But may still need input, so may circle back.

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If I have this correct 14 would correspond to approximately a freshman in high school.

When my oldest was a freshman and sophomore in high school she also wanted a career in music. She had a sign on the wall in her bedroom that said “music = life”. She was writing songs and was very good at all of guitar, piano, and singing. Her best songs were also very good. In the summer between freshman and sophomore years she took a songwriting class at a local university that is famous for music and it was a very good class. The class also touched on some business aspects of music that were valuable. Between sophomore and junior years (if I am remembering this correctly) she went on a music tour of Europe. She discovered that she might love the music, but she did not like the travel and the “different hotel every night”. She got tired of the same songs. Around about the same time her friends kept bugging her to play her best songs, and she got tired of them also (personally I loved them, still love them, and will never get tired of them).

About the same time we visited a music professor who I know, who introduced us to another music professor who used to sing and dance on Broadway. She discovered that NYC is an expensive place to live, and singing and dancing on Broadway does not pay very well. She also got tired of playing the same music every night. She went back to university, got her PhD, and became a music professor (and colleague of the professor I know better).

After this my daughter started to neglect her music, and instead focus on academics. She did well in high school, did well in university, figured out the right career path for her, and is now a bit more than 1/2 way through getting a DVM. We occasionally get pictures of her with her patients. The most recent is a rather large cow.

Somewhere in the middle of all of this I was taking guitar lessons (I have occasionally played in public without embarrassing myself or the family). I had a teacher who had started his bachelor’s degree at a very good private university, but ran out of money part way through. He was unable to afford to borrow enough money to finish his degree. He transferred to an in-state public university where he completed his bachelor’s degree. He would have been far better off starting at the affordable in-state public university.

And working in high tech I know several people who also work in high tech but who play music on the side. I have seen several high tech coworkers get up on stage and play, and in most cases play very well. Music and Math are skills that sometimes (not always) run together.

But then I also know someone who became a music professor, and who has done well sticking with music as his career.

We all find our path through life a bit at a time. For someone who is excellent at music, the right path does not always involve a career in music.

And MOST careers in music do not pay very well (a few famous musicians being an exception). I would be very cautious about taking on debt for a bachelor’s degree in music.

Yes to all of these.

We applied to several high level festivals for this summer. Hoping we cann develop our network further.

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If your student already has the three things I suggested, their network is pretty strong. I would suggest the student start having a good dialogue with these folks who are familiar with their playing and potential.

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She has an excellent teacher (Curtis grad.) She already has a decent sized list of her target schools. Any tips on how to suss out who the right teacher at any given conservatory would be? I think her teacher will be pointing her in the right direction for sure but wondering how else one does that? I have always heard that summer festivals are where a lot of these types of connections are made. But experiences can vary, right? A great teacher for one student is not necessarily the best for the other. How does one figure this out? Even in a pre-acceptance ‘get to know you’ lesson, it might be hard to really know.

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Yeah, that has started. I was thinking it might be good to talk to a 3rd party as well. Maybe not though. Not sure.

What year at Curtis and how does he like it? Also, what instrument?

Thank you, will check this out!

At some conservatory programs, they assign the applied teacher. You don’t get to choose.

Re: applied teachers…as I mentioned upstream, when my kid started inquiring about his instrument, some of the same names of teachers and programs came up over and over and over. These were the programs our kid looked into. We were fortunate that some of the people we knew were able to arrange private lessons with some of these applied teachers.

My kid went to Boston University for undergrad. His applied teacher was the same one he had and liked at BUTI.

He went to University of North Carolina School of the Arts for his masters. The applied teacher there was one he had at Eastern Music Festival for two years.

But he also cared a LOT about the ensemble directors and the quality of the ensembles at the places where he applied. Whenever possible, we went to some performance so he could actually hear for himself.

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If your child’s teacher is at Curtis and helped her apply to high level summer music plans you are definitely over thinking this. He or she is the person you are looking for. If your child is already in a precollege program they also have many people who have recently gone through the process and will be able to give you advice.

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Sounds like you have a great network and plan moving forward. My advice is to be comfortable not knowing all of the answers at this time. The process will unfold and the path will become clearer.

At this stage of the game, your role is to provide growth opportunities with support and guidance from your kid’s teachers. Exactly what you are doing now: lessons, festivals, competitions and so on.

Music is so time intensive and can be all consuming so be on the lookout for signs of burnout. It helped my son to have sports/friends outside of music to keep some balance.

My son (currently a fourth year conservatory student) started researching teachers based on the sound he wanted to work towards as well as teaching style. He studied with some (starting around age 15) at summer programs and master classes. So exposure to these experiences definitely helped him identify potential programs/schools. It is normal for kids to evolve during these next few years so while it is great to have a target list of schools, realize that it may be somewhat fluid.

Being a musician (and parenting one!) is such an adventure. The process is dynamic and variable and demands resilience and patience. With a fair amount of blind faith that it will work out. My son (and his parents) would not change it for the world.

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