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<p>My intention was not that at all, I was just referring that we as parent can’t sit back and wait for child to bloom. That might never happen even though a child might had the potential.</p>
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<p>I think a lots of children have potential to become next Einstein and a right environment, fine learning institutes, and guidance can shape a child to become the next Einstein.</p>
<p>That is why I’m big believer of fine institutes of learning. I don’t think geniuses are born but believe that geniuses are made. There is no dearth of intelligent people on earth. Not all become Einstein but have potential to become one.</p>
<p>Some are made by their sole efforts other are part of collective effort. Yes, geniuses can be provided resources and environment to succeed.</p>
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<p>That seems like coming from CA Governor’s mouth, we can’t cut programs because the money is earmarked. (LOL)</p>
<p>You can think the way deemed right to you. For me it’s a 0 sum game. If an institute is suppose to spend ‘x’ amount on each student of the institute then full paying students are not getting that ‘x’ amount. The difference in that ‘x’ and the amount full paying student is getting is the overcharge amount and is being used for FA for other students.</p>
<p>What ever way you slice it, that’s the only way I see it.</p>
<p>ParentofIvyhope, I have been/am full pay at my kids’s colleges(instate). Are there some kids going for free or less than what we paid? Of course- it’s all relative. Be happy that you can provide for your child . She is in much better shape with that kind of largesse from you than 90+ percent of the population.</p>
<p>POIH…did you read the “CC is getting boring thread”? Wondering whether your posts here are just to liven things up a bit. There are thousands upon thousands of very successful folks who did not attend prestigious preschools, day schools, prep schools OR colleges.</p>
<p>The person who has a lawsuit against the preschool clearly wants her money back. If I were the school…I’d GIVE her the money…and send her packing. She sounds like a PITA.</p>
<p>POIH-
If school A says it costs 40K to educate each student and tuition even for full pay is only 35K, how are you paying for someone elses education when you aren’t even paying for all of your own?</p>
<p>My undergrad had a broccoli endowment. Some old biddy thought we all needed to eat broccoli. That money cant be spent on some much needed new electron microscope or salary raises for faculty or for FA for a needy student. It pays for broccoli. Everyones broccoli (well everyone on the mealplan that is-- I guess your dau would be excluded if I was speaking about MIT, LOL)</p>
<p>The truth as I see it is, the vast majority of people posting here also believe in the right environment, and fine learning institutes, etc. They made sure to get their own butts, and/or their kids’ butts, into magnet schools, parochial schools, decent public schools/programs that would provide decent and relatively appropriate education, at the earliest possible time they could arrange to do so.</p>
<p>Yet because those people do not live in Manhattan and do not face the same issues that confront the parents there, they feel perfectly comfortable throwing stones at people who do face these issues. While IMO if they were in the same situation, and had the means, they would do exactly the same thing. And if they didn’t have the means they would move out, which is what many Manhattanites in fact wind up doing.</p>
<p>Here’s a description from the 'net of the high school, and feeders for same, my kids would have been headed for, if more “elite” options had not been obtained along the way:</p>
<p>“Seward Park High School graduated its last class in June 2006 and is now closed.”<br>
"Seward Park’s imposing Lower East Side building, constructed in the first decade of the 20th century, had fallen into disrepair by the mid-1980s, even while housing far more students than it was intended to. The school suffered from astronomical truancy and dropout rates,… . "</p>
<p>If the track to avoid that school cost $19,000, and you had the money, almost everyone who has criticized on this thread would have paid it, IMO. </p>
<p>You all criticize parents who have the means for seeking the best education they could provide, then in the next breath talk about your own parochial schools, magnet schools for the elite, special programs, etc.</p>
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<p>If institute has decided to spend 10K per student on the education and calculated the cost to raise from tuitions is “30K” per student. Then institute decided to provide FA to the tune of “5K” per student to the needed. The cost of tuition per student then rose by “5K” to “$35K” for full paying student.</p>
<p>So it’s $5K that would have gone towards lowering tuition for all students have gone to “$5K” FA.</p>
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<p>I’m happy and just trying to have a good discussion before going out for “GREEN” St. Patrick Day Beer.</p>
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<p>How is that high horse?</p>
<p>Dont believe its as reductionistic as your formula is trying to suggest, POIH. Here-- have some broccoli.</p>
<p>^^^: Broccoli was fun. Enjoyed it. Taking some to have with the Beer too.</p>
<p>If tuition rises, those who are full pay will pay it, and those who arent will get aid, loans or work study. You are not paying for anyone’s education but your daughter’s.</p>
<p>GA2012MOM: Chilled…</p>
<p>jym626: If tuition rises so do the FA and so full paying student will be footing the bill towards rising FA too.</p>
<p>Nothing chilled here. Are you trying to bait me? You aren’t worth it</p>
<p>NO, POIH, for the umpteenth time, it doesnt work that way. You pay for YOUR childs tuition-- NOT anyone elses, no matter what the cost. Your tuition is NOT subsidizing anyone elses</p>
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<p>I completely agree with this. Sadly, I highly doubt people will even care to read this and will instead continue to rant about how it’s ridiculous to claim that what preschool a person goes to will affect Ivy League chances. Which it is, but everyone knows that already, and it seems likely that the relation of that claim to this lawsuit was just made up to create sensationalist news.</p>
<p>IF YOU LIVE IN NYC, it is not preposterous to spend $19,000 for preschool. If you don’t, your child may not be able to go to preschool at all. </p>
<p>While NYC does have public preschools, they are NOT universal. There are FAR more applicants than spaces. Not all public schools have programs. The most popular, sought after public schools usually don’t have them because they want to enroll as many children from the neighborhood as possible in grades k-5. Every classroom then has to be devoted to k-5.</p>
<p>So, if you live in NYC, there is no guarantee that you can get your child into ANY public program. You have to rank your top choices and they “match.” You may not get a match at all or you may get a match at a school a long way from where you live. (For more info see <a href=“http://www.preschoolprimerDOTcom/new-york-city-preschool-resources/[/url]”>http://www.preschoolprimerDOTcom/new-york-city-preschool-resources/</a>)</p>
<p>So, LOTS of parents who FULLY intend to send their kids to public schools PAY for preschool. $19,000 is not the price of an “elite” preschool–it’s pretty much the average cost as the link in my early message shows. The one in my neighborhood, which is FAR from a rich neighborhood, costs that much. It does give a limited number of scholarships and it also has a few kids whose tuition is paid in whole or in part by the State of NY so mom can work. (This is usually the case for 3 year olds, not 4 year olds. The preschool offers a full day program and for these children takes the place of day care. ) </p>
<p>Less than half the kids who attend our local preschool go on to private schools. Some of those who do go to Catholic schools and yeshivas. </p>
<p>While most parents don’t want to admit it to strangers, reality is that LOTS of parents end up sending their kids to private schools because the kids don’t score high enough on the IQ tests to make one of the gifted public programs. Usually, these kids do not get into the ‘elite’ private schools. (Sometimes they do, often because some kids do much better on the ERBs than the test the public schools use. It’s sort of SAT vs. ACT.) They do get into one of the very good private schools with other kids in the same situation and other kids whose parents prefer the private options for other reasons. </p>
<p>The unfortunate reality in SOME neighborhoods is that if your kid goes to a public school and is NOT in the gifted program, (s)he may end up in a kindergarten classroom where many of the kids speak little English and don’t know the alphabet, colors, shapes, etc.–at least in English. The children may be wonderful, and often are, but your child isn’t going to learn a whole heck of a lot during kindergarten.</p>
<p>I would never dream of advising any parent of an English speaking child who didn’t get into the gifted program to enroll his/her child in my local public school. </p>
<p>With all of its problems, the NYC public school system still functions at least as well as the school system in any other major US city. For the lucky kids who are not only very smart but good at demonstrating that on standardized tests, there are some really good options–once you get to kindergarten. It’s not Hunter Elementary or suburbia.</p>
<p>Need free help calculating the cost per student of tuition?
Call 1-800-[(10x)(13i)^2]-[sin(xy)/2.362x]</p>