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You are right, Bay. Which got me to wondering why that is. Is it that anyone who is just reasonably smart can be successful with the right connections?</p>
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<p>I would say so. Contrary to popular belief here on CC, grades do not “make the man.”</p>
<p>“The Price of Admission” by Daniel Golden is a terrific read and an orientation to some of the issues discussed here.
I remember the Gore family and Brown both being discussed. Not that they in particular need to be singled out.</p>
<p>Middsmith was probably rejected from Brown hence the hostility…</p>
<p>“JFK Jr. got into HYP despite being an average student.”</p>
<p>I don’t know about Yale and Princeton, but he did not get into Harvard. His sister did, and she was very successful.</p>
<p>“Whether it is fair to draw any conclusions about a certain individual’s abilities from this is debatable.”</p>
<p>It may not be fair, but it is a fact that in that crowd (top 6 law schools), failing twice is considered a huge disaster and very humiliating. Most employers who hire from those schools will let new grads take it a second time, in February of your first year, but if you don’t pass on the second try, you’re fired. If the problem is too much partying, then one failure ought to be enough to wise you up.</p>
<p>I read that JFK jr. did get into Harvard - how could they turn him down? Anyway, it is kind of creepy to denigrate the memory of someone who had so much promise and who died so tragically.</p>
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Agree …and by all accounts, he was a kind and caring young man.</p>
<p>Agree as well with the above.</p>
<p>Well back to the subject: too bad I didn’t force my son to apply to USC. He could have had some fun with the Kennedy kid!</p>
<p>Katherine is not known to me personally, but I can tell you something about her high school. Katherine graduated from Brentwood School. It is a coed day school located in Brentwood (Los Angeles). It is one of the most rigorous and highly respected private prep schools in California.<br>
Brentwood is known for their community service requirement as well as selectivity and difficulty of courseload. About 17 AP classes are offered.
I have no idea about her scores or GPA, but just to graduate from Brentwood is an achievement.
Keep in mind, Katherine MAY have been admitted to SC’s School of Cinematic Arts. The school is renowned worldwide. Their admit rate is less than 4%. SC may have been her first choice of colleges.
This year SC had 15 Fulbright Scholars, 1 Marshall Scholar (only 40 in U.S.), 1 Rhodes Scholar and two Goldwater Scholars. Many of their programs are among the top 5 in the nation. Also, the university has more international students than any other in the U.S. This may have been of importance to her father.</p>
<p>A bit more on JFK, Jr.: according to Wikipedia (unverified by me), he was accepted at Harvard but chose to go to Brown. He failed the New York bar exam twice, and passed it the third time after receiving special accomodations in which he took it alone in a private room with a proctor. As others have suggested, it is not typical for an NYU Law School grad to fail the New York bar exam. What this says about his overall intelligence and personal qualities is far from clear, but it certainly suggests that he may not have been a great test-taker.</p>
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<p>Can’t think of another top-5 program besides film.</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/407322-top-schools-fulbright-scholars-released.html?highlight=fulbright+scholar[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/407322-top-schools-fulbright-scholars-released.html?highlight=fulbright+scholar</a></p>
<p>I don’t know how you got 15 fulbright scholars. The above thread shows they got only 9.</p>
<p>D is living and working at BC this summer. She called about a week ago and said that according to the BC grapevine, Maria Shriver’s daughter got off the waitlist. That did not receive as much attention as the fact that Bruce Springsteen’s son was at orientation, but it did get a little discussion. She doesn’t know if she is coming, but that she did get in after all. Poor kid. She is probably a really smart, nice, sweet kid and now she has this bad attention attached to her. Now think…all of you parents going thru the summer with the “My kid hates me” syndrome…think what Maria Shriver is going thru right now. Talk about the ultimate “talking about you kids in public” debacle.</p>
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<p>OMG! Bruce Springsteen’s son is going to college? But it was only yesterday that Bruce married his back-up singer and they had a kid. ;)</p>
<p>Sam, she was wrong about USC and Fulbright Scholars. There are actually 16. </p>
<p>[USC</a> Has 16th Fulbright Scholar](<a href=“http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/15357.html]USC”>http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/15357.html)</p>
<p>Nikara,
I am sorry the article about the 16th Fulbright Scholar was missed. That was about the time of my last surgery. Thanks for the correction.
To add to the list of honors listed above were Laurie Brand, who was named a Carnegie Scholar and Ravi Aron who received a Sloan Fellowship.</p>
<p>Sam,
SC’s selectivity, quality of faculty, rankings and endowment has been rising. Rankings can be both controversial and subjective. Here are a few of the U.S. News 2009 graduate program rankings. The data, however, is from 2007 and 2008.
Graduate School of Public Affairs #7
City Management 4th
Health Policy 9th
Public Management Administration 5th
Social Policy 10th
Marshall School of Business-Graduate
Accounting 6th
Part time MBA 6th
International Business 9th
Entrepreneurship 6th</p>
<pre><code>Viterbi School of Engineering-Graduate 8th
Petroleum Engineering 9th
Health Programs
Occupational Therapy #3
Physical Therapy #1
Urban Education
Higher Education Administration #5
Education Adminstration and Supervision #9
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<p>Rankings from other sources:
School of Music #5
School of Dentistry #3
School of Cinematic Arts #1
Annenberg School of Communications </p>
<p>The undergraduate rankings for 2009 are not announced until August.</p>
<p>I fail to see the point of this whole thread, frankly.</p>
<p>Probably lots of famous people’s kids failed to get into lots of schools.</p>
<p>I’m guessing that IS the point of this thread: Even famous people’s kids cannot assume they will be admitted to the schools they want.</p>
<p>What school did Hulk Hogan’s son get into? The school of hard knocks?</p>