Midlife divorces

I think the mid-late 60s were a huge watershed socially. Lots of the people I know – older business associates, relatives – who were pre-baby boomers, had very short young marriages that collapsed in the early 70s. Many of them went on to have long, loving second marriages, but some didn’t.

I believe the people in my cohort – call us mid/late boomers – who married relatively late (25+) and have high educational attainment have a fairly low divorce rate. But if there is an uptick in late divorces, maybe it’s in part because in our cohort so many more people didn’t get divorced at younger ages.

My father-in-law left my mother-in-law the day after my wife, their youngest child, graduated from college. They were both in their late 50s. He was already in another relationship with a younger woman, although he denied it at the time. My MIL never remarried, or even really re-dated; she felt abandoned and betrayed permanently, which was sad to see. My FIL married his girlfriend a few years later, and remained married to her for almost 30 years, the rest of his life. The relationship lasted just about exactly as long as his relationship with my MIL. Honestly, my FIL’s second wife was a better match for him, and she stuck around through years of very tough medical problems, far past the time when her relative youth mattered.

I know my own parents’ marriage survived some infidelity on my father’s part, probably in their 30s, as my father got more successful (and better looking), and my mother, stunningly beautiful in her early 20s, became obese. I wasn’t aware of any tension at the time, though. My brother found out about it some years later and told me, but I never wanted any details. I never discussed it with my parents, except after my mother died and my father had incipient dementia my father sometimes talked about keeping away from the woman involved (who remained a family friend) to avoid having her try to have sex with him.

Among my really close friends, roughly 55-65, there are only two divorces, and both of them happened a long time ago. I also know two long-term homosexual partnerships, male and female, that broke up before they were allowed to marry. Only one of the break-ups happened after age 50. In both cases, the central issue was whether to have children. In both cases, the partner who wanted a child (or more) is now happily married and has a child (or more). Among my relatives, I know of only one divorce that happened after age 45, and that was a situation involving diagnosed mental illness and abusive behavior. Among my law partners (<20, ages 40-80), all have been married, and only two have ever been divorced.

I know more marriages that have been through a lot of turmoil, including infidelity and tragedies involving the children, and survived, at least so far. Some I thought were certainly headed for divorce, with open infidelity, awful tragedies affecting children, terrible economic reverses.

The “The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness” study discusses many of these issues that may make women less happy. According to the table at the back of the report, men’s happiness remained more or less stable during the time span, while womens started higher and finished more or less equal to men.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

Infidelity is rarely the cause of the divorce. Typically, it is a symptom of the cause of divorce. Exceptions abound, but among those situations with which I am familiar, the infidelity springs from a fractured relationship, not vice-versa.

I think the most likely reason people wait until mid-life is the kids. Get them through college and then focus inward. Some people stoically tolerate indifference, enmity or outright abuse until they reach a point in which the pain and risk of being alone is less than that remaining. Delaying divorce can also be due to fear. Can one make it financially alone after years as a team? Once the fear of remaining is greater than fear of divorce, it is more likely to happen.

In 39’years of doing therapy, I have yet to find anyone going into a divorce lightly. The most refrain I hear is that they wish they had separated sooner.

The young couples need to express themselves, find ways to resolve differences, give the other space, etc. most do well. A recent exception was a woman in early 30’s, who wanted to have a child. However, her husband had just entered a rehab center for the 5th time. Everyone told her he probably would never fully give up,his addiction.

Had to take the time to fully digest this thread.

We just were surprised with finding out a couple (we knew from college days) married 38 years got divorced last year and he is already remarried (he is a Missouri Synod Lutheran Pastor, so I imagine he ‘left’ his current LT position, but once remarried - future call committees generally don’t really learn about marital past and he can successfully ‘move on’). Gotta suspect he was in the other relationship or knew where to go once the divorce was final. Ex-W is working with traveling health care (RN assignments) - I imagine she got half of their retirement, and she is building up her own nest egg plus experiencing what she didn’t during their marriage.

Sometimes perception and reality don’t coincide. What bothers one spouse may become very disproportionate. One has to look at oneself if they are unhappy with their spouse - how can they improve themselves and be a better spouse than just be on a soap box about how difficult spouse is. If one cannot be happy with them-self, should look to healing internally. Sometimes people want to ‘blame’ external things or blame their spouse.

I know a gal that had cancer (she is now cancer free) but she let that really emotionally derail her and she threw away a great H (she wanted the divorce; then later realized her mistake but he is now remarried).

Another LT marriage, with two older kids, gap of 10 years, and two younger kids - W went back to school and got BSN/RN license. She evidently ‘found’ another guy and divorced to remarry. Pretty shocking for us to see that. Ex-H eventually married a very kind lady and they have a new happy life. He may not have expressed enough positive feedback to W1, but he definitely is grateful for W2 and expresses that along with his happiness. After one is kicked to the curb so to speak.

Seeing how FIL/MIL are, knowing how my parents were, I do look to what is behind behaviors. One has choices on how to respond/not respond, how to allow it to affect yourself.

Communication is key. H recently told me about something minor that he blew way out of proportion. At the time, I was recounting some of the fabulous things I have done in managing our nest egg over the years - it took our financial guy three different meetings with saying “W has done a great job with growing/managing your joint retirement funds” before it sunk in to H that I did not spend money frivolously over the years - that I spent some but had the other bases covered. We have great insurance, great LTC coverage. When H would complain privately to me about something ridiculous, I just say “well when I am gone, you have $XXX life insurance on me to enjoy” - that kind of puts him into thinking yes life is better with me than w/o me… H is introverted except for hobbies and stuff that he is super excited about - or if he gets together with like minded engineers, or if he can recount some of his ‘stories’. We give each other space. I don’t drag him to stuff I know it is too much of an effort for him, however if something is a ‘has to attend’ - like something with the kids, it is clearly spelled out to him. He sometimes says ‘stupid’ sort of under his breath - I have to tell him if others are around to cut it out.

One sometimes makes big sacrifices in order to keep the spouse happy/content. One looks to the long game sometimes. Overlook spouse’s weaknesses as a person and they overlook yours.

FIL/MIL are both 88. MIL had to work way too hard and way too underappreciated. FIL tends to be a braggart, talks too loudly. Did things years ago like at the nice dinner table after the meal, clipping his fingernails to show he is the boss and can do what he likes. MIL had a bad hip (before she had hip replacement surgery), but FIL expected her to jump up to go to the kitchen to get stuff instead of getting up himself because he was the man of the house.Two BILs have really lacked many social graces, but if their wives are around they get corrected. I could see the influence the family situation growing up had on H, and H and my first professional jobs were in a far away state (H had great work opportunity and I encouraged him to take it), and we still live quite a distance away (went from 24 hours away by car to 14 hours away by car).

Sometimes what attracted the couple together was short lived - or the marriage couldn’t withstand life challenges. How one handles the low periods. We live in a ‘throw away’ society. Both the man or the woman can be very selfish and self-centered, and see divorcing as the way to have what they want (not sharing with the spouse, or wanting outside the marriage relationships).

There is an inspiration book “Married for Life”. Short quips from people married 50 years or more. One couple’s headline “You can always work things out if you really want to.” Talked about giving up hope, giving up faith. Fear that spouse’s love for you has gone cold.

However if one person wants out, no way to stop a divorce happening. Recognizing a marriage is in trouble and seeking help. As with many things, sometimes hit a point of no return.

At some point, the best choice to be made by a person who is being abused, neglected, or cheated on or who has been abandoned is to get a divorce.

Good grief, what a way to twist the 70s statement by doschicos.

High divorce rates are NOT a sign of happiness. Women were happy in the 70s because they could FINALLY get out of marriages where they were neglected, abused, or just plain not in love.

Divorce rates in the 70s were higher because that is when no-fault divorce laws went into effect. Full stop. Women married prior to these laws passing had very little choice but to stay in the marriage.

“what is it that makes long married couples come apart after spending half of their lives together?”

In my experience, usually because they had come apart long ago and were only scotch-taped together for the last 10 years.

My parents divorced in 1967. For many years we were the only family in our neighborhood who had divorced parents. Back in those days we saw my Dad a few weekends a month. Strangely my Mom never talked about why they divorced. My Dad did have mental illness and I’m sure that factored into the equation. Until my Mom remarried she was a single working Mom with 6 kids. I can only imagine how unhappy she must have been to leave with all of us.

Mom60, I was in the same boat with parents divorcing in the mid 60s. I knew it was coming down the pike, as my dad was honest with me. But I could not imagine life without two parents present, as I knew no one else in that situation. It was totally devastating when he unexpectedly moved out, and my own divorce later, at a time when society had made it more acceptable was so much easier. My dad saw us twice a week, and we spent holidays as a family, even after he remarried. His second wife was dear to all of us, my mother included. He dumped her as well, and was a swinging single in the early 70s, which did not concern me, but my brother, young at that point despises that image.

My mother never remarried. She got alimony which sustained her till she took SS from my dad. My dad married for a 3rd time, and was married 25 years before he passed away. She regretted the divorce, however he was the instigator, and had moved on in so many ways, and she was not the sort to morph with him. However they remained friends to the end of his life.

If I go through with a divorce it will be the first in three generations on either side of my family. My dad’s maternal grandparents divorced in 1906. That’s the only broken branch on my family tree. And none on my husband’s either.

I had a long talk with my daughter today because I discovered my husband is hitting her up for concert tickets and stuff. She earns more than both of us combined so he sees her as a cash cow. He’s a narcissist and also refuses to make any decisions in life so I’m afraid he will latch onto her if I leave. She has to vow not to rescue him before I can leave. I refuse to play a role in making her life miserable.

That’s very unfair of your H to put your D in such an uncomfortable position. Hopefully she will be able to gracefully decline the pressure to support her dad/your H. I’m sure your D works very hard for her money and should be allowed to put it towards HER goals and needs.

By the same token, your daughter is an adult. It is really none of your business if she decides to enable his bad behavior. Giving her a suggestion is one thing. Making her vow to you is really no better than what he is doing.

Gah, I am just so, so sorry KK. I’m guessing I’m roughly around the age of your D and I can’t imagine being in that situation :frowning:

I willingly help my parents with money but because they’re kind and generous. But I watched my ex’s dad leach off of him (ex who I dated from around his age 16 through 21) because he wouldn’t get a job. It tore my ex apart because he felt obligated to his abusive, lazy father.

I don’t think kk is out of line in asking for a vow. Parents wield an enormous level of coercive influence over their kids, even in adulthood.

I agree with @Torveaux . KK needs to take care of herself now and her daughter will learn her lesson eventually.
@mom60 - I knew of two divorced families growing up. One was my friend’s aunt, who had three children, worked in a bank and drove an old, beat-up Corvair even after they had been deemed unsafe. She remarried to a guy who had money but was no prize otherwise, quit work and ended up golfing with my mom. The other was the mother of a friend, who had been married three times that I knew of and was rumored to have been married seven times. I saw the friend once when I was in college. She’d gone straight to work out of HS and married a guy in a nearby town, and was in the process of splitting up. She’s been married at least one more time since then, but seems happy.

I guess I tend to take statements by either party about the other in a pending divorce with a grain of salt. Maybe he is a narcissist, maybe not. I hear both parents manipulating their relationship and see both as wrong.

KKmama has been struggling with this issue for a long time. I’d give her the benefit of the doubt about the actions of the parties involved.

You must be intimately familiar with the specifics of their situation, then?

I understand KK’s impulse, but also the need to respect the child’s choice.

H and I are long married, but have different ideas on how to interact with adult children. (We are both figuring it out.) We don’t always agree on what the kids should be doing, either. He wants to tell them what to do and expects them to listen to and follow his sage advice. I always feel like I have to go back and say “you should do what you want. Stand up to your dad!” Then I feel bad, like maybe kid wanted to do what dad says and now I have undermined that choice , so I go back and add “unless you want to do what dad is suggesting…”

I’d warn the kids about dad being a leech and make them really think through what giving him money would mean. Then I’d let it go. But I’d feel free to repeat that advice every time dad asked for money!

@KKmama wrote:

“If I go through with a divorce it will be the first in three generations on either side of my family. My dad’s maternal grandparents divorced in 1906. That’s the only broken branch on my family tree. And none on my husband’s either.”

That’s okay. It’s understandable that this is a sore spot. There can be shame and a sense of failure swirling about divorce. Right? Our own thoughts can be so unkind to ourselves.

Being the “only broken branch” is not a measure of your self-worth or a pronouncement on how successful your life has been. You can keep taking steps towards your marriage exit plan and have a joyful life worth living, even if you divorce.

You are worth it!