<p>sorry rushed to judgement, sound familiar, and cut it off accidently cutting and pasting. i apologize.</p>
<p>ZMT,</p>
<p>I appreciate your deleting the expletives you had used to describe me in post #37. As to the problem of cutting and pasting, in a heat of passion it could happen to anyone.</p>
<p>On Sunday night at 7pm, Dateline (NBC) is featuring a story on sexual attacks on campuses and how the administration addressed them. Could be interesting…</p>
<p>fair and balanced?
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<p>If I knew then what would happen after three decades and two babies, I might have been naked more often in college! ;)</p>
<p>Those naked parties are nothing new… Doesn’t anyone remember hot tubbing, skinny dipping?</p>
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Remember? Heck, I still do both.</p>
<p>I read that the one naked party held at Columbia so far was for grad students – specifically, held by law and business students. Though I can’t imagine standing there with a cocktail glass strategically placed and chatting with some guy who might sit next to me taking the bar exam, it’s hard to argue they’re not adults.</p>
<p>An undergrad at Columbia WAS trying to organize a naked party in the wake of all the publicity about Brown’s. Favorite quote: the student leader who said it was not really a Columbia-type activity because, “let’s face it, we’re not that good looking here.” (Is that why Columbia asks for a photo in their application?)</p>
<p>It is apparently a tradition at Yale, and there was an incident in which a man (grad student?) who offered to escort a female undergrad back to her dorms afterwards then assaulted her. I believe he was convicted. Assaults happen whether or not people are naked at a party of course, and they especially happen when alcohol is involved. My main concerns would be alcohol and whether or not there is any element of coercion in whether or not people take their clothes off or attend the event in the first place.</p>
<p>Coed sauna at Columbia in the mid-70’s…went a few times…don’t think that fact had much to do with my morality or self-respect, or significantly impacted my life… married/faithful for 23 years to college boyfriend I met post-sauna days…It (the sauna) just wasn’t a defining experience. Yes, it’s different than a party, but the sauna was a kind of social place, too.</p>
<p>lol, you just reminded me of a sauna in Finland and rolling around in the snow afterwards. Everyone in the apartment complex did this after a sauna. Definitely a different attitude there (towards both nudity and snow!)</p>
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<p>Don’t know about the rest of you; my body is wondrous in the way it functions (intelligent or otherwise design) but not in the way it looks.</p>
<p>Dadofsam – we’re in cyberspace. You can tell us you’re a slightly older version of Brad Pitt and we’ll believe you!</p>
<p>sac: most finns dont sauna coed though, a lot of young people do know but it isnt the norm</p>
<p>btw…Thongs are on their way out for boy shorts…Good riddance !<em>squirms as she tries vainly to adjust an uncomfortable thong</em></p>
<p>Hey…we had group streaking, nude swimming at the beach. </p>
<p>I read a great line about parents in Banville’s book ‘The Sea’ (Booker Prize winner 2005). </p>
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<p>My thoughts exactly–when I was 17 to 26 and naked in the company of the opposite sex far more than my parents realized :D.</p>
<p>where we go at xmas has an outdoor hottub for the use of all of the guests- it is up to you whether you wear a suit or not.
We generally wear a suit- but we also try and time it so we can use the tub just with our family.
However there is a large group of friends/family that stay at the same time ( several are Finns incidentally) and they dont wear suits.</p>
<p>Anyone who would suggest that sex isn’t a part of the equation at these “naked parties”, that they are just celebrations of “the wonderous brilliance of God’s creation” is just blowing smoke up your skirt. Of course sex is precisely what it’s all about. Sex and titillation, and “aren’t we all naughty girls and boys?!—Is that a gun in your…(wait a minute, you don’t have pockets)…I guess you’re just happy to see me!” Let’s just be honest here.</p>
<p>Poetsheart,</p>
<p>naked parties Sex and titillation tweens and teens</p>
<p>Please, get real, its all about enlightenment and not being, in the phrase of The Dude, too uptight. Dont act the prude (prudent). Parents should be encouraging their children (after 18th birthday party, for legal reasons in most states & countries) to get naked in groups. Wheres the problem in that? That, you see, is what the cool and [down] with it parents are known for doing. Its de rigueur. Its all good.</p>
<p>Besides, didnt we push the envelope in our own day, and werent our parents supporting us in so doing, ney, even encouraging us to push it further; I mean, imagine what would have happened if they would have encouraged us in the opposite direction, or disapproved you know, that would be VERY old fashion. Our own parents knew that this was what becoming responsible adults was all about: getting naked at group parties in college, and thus we did, well, a few of us may have streaked or skinny dipped with friends, but thats so old school (honestly, waiting until after the 18th birthday may even be losing time…if you want your kids to know you really, truly care [but for those pesky legalisms]). </p>
<p>A naked game of pong: Really, what could be more edifying or enlightening? [of course, it is understood that these things are only attended by the non-drinking, non-substance using, sexually enlightened co-eds, not those other unrefined onesin fact, Im beginning to wonder if there is any other kind]</p>
<p>Maybe this is the gift we can pass on to this generation of teenagers; after all, they made it through high school: They must be very mature;)</p>
<p>They’re lucky to have such cool parents!</p>
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Yeah! Where are all these types of students with CLOTHES? </p>
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<p>Well said, poetsheart. IF there IS a skirt to blow it up. Actually, I can see this behavior changing the whole “upskirting” phenomenon. Hope they ban cell phones with cameras at these “enlightened” events.</p>
<p>Excellent posts Woodwork and poetsheart. ~berurah</p>
<p>Get your heads out of the gutter, folks. I ran this by my D–she said, these were explicitly not about sex, and there were very specific rules of behavior.</p>
<p>(She also added that there were others gatherings that were about sex; if that’s what you were looking for.)</p>
<p>Folks, any male/female gathering has a sexual element–the way most people dress for social gatherings seem to be more and more about sex–if I can guess by seeing what styles are advertised.</p>
<p>These kids, at least at my kid’s school, are getting out in the open (literally) what everyone else is being coy about. And seeing if it can be demystified, a bit. Well, it’s obvious for some of you, it can’t.</p>
<p>People can be better than you give them credit for–try to lose some of the cynicism, it’s so corrosive.</p>
<p>I am assuming these parties are not being held on Parents’ Weekend!</p>
<p>BTW, there is where most PR people miss the boat: Tulane’s stripping down of his academic programs should be marketed as trendy, academic stripping!!</p>