National Merit Cutoff Predictions Class of 2017

I bet it will be 1380.

@itsgettingreal17 
gotcha. :-t

if 209 is commended, is it still possible for some states to have a SF cutoff of 210? (specifically TN) @suzyQ7

@suzyQ7 It makes sense that a much higher commended would equal a much higher qualifying shore. But it’s been 1960 for several years, AND they are still accepting old version SAT scores for qualification. For this reason, I’d be willing to bet they go with the conversion table and say1380. Now if they accepted only the redesigned SAT score, I’d say all bets are off.

I could see them possibly realigning the old SAT so that only the CR and M sections are used. Then they could have one score to use for both tests.

@mtrosemom Actually, they can’t have one qualifying score, because the concordance table shows that the new SAT scores are inflated. For example, an old SAT 700 in math is now a 730.

@snicks1234 if you go to mySat and log in, then page down to the score summary there is a button to click to send scores. Once you get to the pop-up window that lets you type in the name of the organization just enter National Merit and click on Illinois for the state. Then click search. National Merit Scholarship Corporation in Evanston IL will show up. click Add and that should do it!

Edit: You will probably be charged the $11.50. It’s worth it :wink:

Regarding NM and the “confirming” SAT score:

the historical cut-off of 1960 was clearly “lower” than the commended cut-off of 201-202 in recent years would imply. Not sure why but here is a theory. Perhaps NMSC wanted to make sure that the lowest state NM’s got to advance to finalist. In the past the SAT was actually harder and significantly longer than the PSAT and of course the scores could vary widely from test to test (which is why so many colleges accepted super scores for the SAT). You have to adjust the “confirming score” to allow for the these factors, especially as some of the NMSF’s had one shot - in the fall - to get a confirming score.

The concordance table would indicate that the new “confirming” score would be around a 1380, holding that 1960 as a constant. Another possibility is that they have an implied “confirming” selection index this year, although that would certainly complicate matters (because equivalent total scores could have very different SI’s of course). We shall have to see . . . .

Isn’t it likely that concordance differences between new and old SAT are primarily due to the elimination of the wrong answer penalty? If you went back to scores from those old tests and added back in the average number of wrong answers for students getting that score, I suspect you’d get something very close to the “inflated” new SAT concorded score.

@higheredrocks No, because the elimination of the wrong answer penalty affects only the raw score. These are scaled scores, and CB can choose how to spread raw scores out over scaled scores however they like. In fact, the conversion from raw scores to scaled scores is different for every form of the test, depending on the difficulty of the particular items on that test form.

Oops you’re right. That makes the concordance even more confusing.

So the SAT is curved @ynotgo?

This thread has such a knowledgeable crew, I thought I’d ask this question.

My D received the Bausch & Lomb Honorary Science Award from U of Rochester at her academic recognition ceremony. How prestigious or how hard is it to get this award? Is it a good idea to list on college app? Any insight/input is greatly appreciated :slight_smile:

@Mamelot Thank you so much.Worked perfectly. Now when I went to look at sent scores it wasn’t there,just the four original ones. Will the one for national merit appear only after it’s sent or fulfilled or should it already be there with a pending indicator?

@Mamelot never mind, I went in and did it again for good measure.lol! I probably sent them two reports, but that will mean it will be doubly hard to lose it.

@snicks1234 I think it shows up in 24 hours or something like that. The CB website isn’t the best - although a huge improvement from 18 months ago.

@Mamelot yeah,I got charged twice. My wife wasn’t happy. I knew I should have let her handle it.lol!

Okay
so since the NEW SAT scores have come out and the new concordance tables do we still think that a 221 in Texas will make NMSF cuttoff?

A 221 is super safe in TX. So is a 220.

This is entirely anecdotal, but I think that at the upper ends of the spectrum the “study sample” for the SAT was better than the one for the PSAT. The College Board said that the sample was different for the SAT. It seems like there are not as many people saying that the test seemed easy, and I’m not seeing many perfect scores, especially on the reading/writing end of things. I think the New SAT to Old SAT concordance tables might stand the test of time. So I don’t know if we know anything more clearly about the PSAT. If the College Board produces updated PSAT concordance tables, or if they release state reports, that would be the only way we might know anything.