need advice on time management, study skills, focus

DS is a freshman and he is completely stressed out with the workload. His goal (unrealistic, of course) is to get straight-A’s, and he is on track to get at least 3 A’s out of 4 courses. But he is always working, always juggling, feels that it is impossible to do everything he needs to do, so some things fall by the wayside. He has stopped socializing on the weekends, and he spends all his time studying or writing papers. He’s taking mostly science classes so there are time-consuming labs; one of his courses has 12 hours/week of lectures, labs, and discussion, when the standard is 3 hours. I’ve suggested that he modify his goal and try for all B’s (his college recommends that freshmen take all classes pass/fail, but he is taking everything for grades), but he says that it’s either do the work/studying/papers or fail. If he studies, he does well. He got the highest grade out of 400 students in one of his science courses. But he does not have things under control.

He says that much of the time that he’s working, he is not accomplishing anything. For every hour he spends, he estimates that 20 mins are focused work. The obvious solution is to work hard and take breaks, but he’s not able to do this. He has started taking zinc supplements and fish oil, and he thinks they’ve helped. He may have ADD; we’ve gone to a really good assessment center (he had a complete educational assessment some years ago and it was very helpful, so we went back to the doctor there). He did a medication trial, but found that the medication helped at first, but quickly became ineffective, i.e., the first couple of days were great, but after that it didn’t do much. He has tried a different medication a couple of times. He took it a few days ago and was able to write a very dense paper for his philosophy class in 2 hours. But then he was not able to fall asleep for 18 hours, got only 4 hours of sleep, and felt the next day as if his brain was burned out (his description). So medication does not seem to be the answer.

I hate hearing him sounding so stressed. He was a good student in HS, with a similar pattern - studying “all the time” - meaning that he limited social life, but feeling that most of the time was not productive. Now the courses are much harder.

He does not drink at all or take drugs. He is a vegetarian, bordering on vegan (taking the fish oil was a big concession for him, but he felt desperate). He runs; he had been running an hour a day, because he needed to in order to focus at all. Now, since he started the supplements, he’s been able to cut down on the running. I think he runs every other day now, and of course he does a lot of walking all over campus.

Any advice?

Just stopping by to give the supportive mom a hug. (I’ve had a kid with college struggles, but alas not the good grades. Also went down the path of ADD med trials. It’s stressful when so much is out of your control.) It sounds like you’ve been a good listener for your son.

No advise, other than to remind him that perfect GPA is not worth sacrifice of health.

Thank you so much, @colorado_mom! I appreciate the support. I hope that your son is doing better now!

My heart goes out to you! It sounds like your child is veering into obsessive-compulsive behaviors, so I would be concerned here, too. Is he open to seeing a counselor at school? It would be good for him to understand how his choices (which may not feel very “choice-y” to him right now) are affecting his outcomes. Mental health care professionals in college settings have tons of experience in exactly these behaviors and can normalize some of this for him.

Best of luck to you both!

Thank you for the suggestion, @auntiek. I am going to speak to him about this when he is home for Thanksgiving. There is a counseling center on campus, I know.

D1 wanted to get into a particular profession and they required minimum 3.5 to get an interview. She barely got it the first semester in college. She didn’t graduate with higher GPA than people who got into her profession, but she got more offers than most of them. Tell your son, whether he has 4.0 or 3.5 he will still be able to get into a graduate school or get a job. He certainly doesn’t need to get the highest score possible.

I am not sure if it would help…when you talk to him on the phone try to talk about anything but school work. Ask him about activities on campus, what he had for dinner, TV shows, what’s going on at home, etc. It may send a subtle message to him that you are not very focused on his schoolwork. There is more to life than work (school and job in the future).

For what’s worth, both of my kids found school work to be easier as time went by. The first semester is usually the hardest.

@NYMomof2 From the title I expected a very different post. From your description your son is doing great. He is taking challenging classes and is having to work very hard to do well. I don’t see any problem with this unless he absolutely hates his life and you think that he will burn out soon. Lowering your goals to make things easy might feel better in the short term but it does not cultivate excellence.

For my whole life I wanted to be an accountant and went to school for accounting. I was at a business school where many accountants washed out of the major during the first accounting course. This course was by far the toughest of my academic career. Many of the concepts that came easy to my classmates required hours of work for me. I was not very happy during that course but I still knew that this was something that I wanted to do (or was scared to not know what I was going to do). I studied more for that mid-term than any other person in my class and for some multiples of what they studied. The “really smart” kid across the hall spent less than 5 hours studying for the exam, I was over 100 for this single mid-term. Like you son I earned the highest grade while the “really smart” kid across the hall earned a low 80. By the end of the semester, he was no longer on the accounting track and was focused on something easier.

You son has grit. Don’t attempt to tame this from his spirit, it will serve him very well in life. A good read is Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance by Angela Duckworth.

@oldfort has given solid, do-able advice in order for you to walk hand in hand with your son toward laying the groundwork for him to create a healthier interior state.

Do not take the workload, the severing of involvement in social outlets, the medicating (and need for it), your child’s insistence on finding himself an Energizer bunny incarnate, or your own concern as signs of necessary growing pains as he adjusts to being in college.

Thanksgiving is soon, and if you’re going to wait until then to be hands on, I hope that time comes quickly. Please have a strategy in hand for when your son comes home. You will be an integral part of what happens going forward, and hopefully you can enlist his willingness to make some changes.

I would highly recommend the book by Cal Newport: “How To Become a Straight-A Student:
The Unconventional Strategies Real College Students Use to Score High While Studying Less”
It will help you with time management and how to be more efficient.

@bopper , thank you for the suggestion. I’ve looked into his ideas and they sound good. I’ve ordered the book.

@Waiting2exhale and @oldfort, thank you for your responses. I am taking this seriously, and I am compiling a list of suggestions and discussion topics for Thanksgiving week, based on ideas from this thread and from PMs.

@FlaParent, thank you for posting. I agree that it is good to work hard, and of course I’d be even more worried if he weren’t doing well, but I don’t think it’s productive or healthy to work ALL the time. And what worries me the most is that much of this “working” time is not useful as he is having problems focusing.

I am hoping that some of the ideas from this thread will be helpful to him. Thank you all for your posts!

Ask the doctor about GABA supplements. It is good for calming nervous activity in the brain. It has helped me when I have racing thoughts and can’t seem to turn off my mind.

I’ll look into GABA, @Crayola13. I haven’t heard of it before. Thank you!

Your son is a good example of someone who is very bright and also has focus issues, seemingly ADHD (there really is no test for ADHD and the one on one situation with a neuropsych. is not representative of real life; the questionnaire is the best evaluation and is obviously subjective). He may also have a little OCD going on, but hard to tell. The focus on being the best would seem, on the surface, to be admirable, but not when it entails suffering and dysfunction.

I would not give up on the idea of medication. Timing in the college years is very tricky. If he had taken the meds in the morning, and written the paper early in the day, perhaps he would have had less trouble sleeping. And perhaps the dose was a little too high. It needs tweaking: hard to get it right at first. There are also other medication possibilities, some of which stay in the system, so no problems with timing. I would get him to a good psychiatrist who is excellent with ADHD, perhaps even in an academic (hospital) setting.

Exercise is very good for ADHD and focus. Hope he can keep that up.

He should work with an advisor on course selection and avoid stacking science classes, for instance, include some lighter classes if he has a heavy one and so on.

There are usually people on campus who can help with time management, such as tutors. If he has a diagnosis, he can register with the Office of Disabilities and get some accommodations, though I suspect he will resist. That could include reduced course load, extensions on papers, single room and so on- and perhaps some help with time management. These do not have to be used, but can be on file.

If adequate help is not available on campus, you can hire a coach, in person or online. Call Landmark or research online- there are some good ones, though they cost some money. Still, setting some patterns early on might help.

Does your son need deadlines to get things done? The biggest change for some can be learning to start papers or studying early, and doing small amounts each day over a period of time, rather than writing all at once or cramming. A student’s work habits can be changed even if the brain can’t!

This is early in his college years. This pattern is consistent with high school so not huge change, which is good. He’s just not at home. I love that you suggested B’s as goals. Great counterbalance. You can remind him that college is for the whole person, that friends and activities play as big a role in his future as grades, but he seems locked into working like this. If meds and other approaches, like exercise, can free up some time, perhaps he can move toward a more balanced life- not overnight but soon!

In addition to the great advice above, when he’s home, I would schedule him for a thorough physical just to rule anything out that might be affecting his focus. It might be that all he needs is a supplement. One of the ways I know I’ve forgotten to take my iron pill is that I lose focus. And, with him being a vegan/vegetarian, he might have an iron deficiency.

Thank you for the suggestions - he does plan to have blood tests for deficiencies, but wants to wait until he’s been taking the zinc supplement for a while.

compmom, it is really hard to know what to do about medication. One strange thing is that when he is taking it, he finds it easy to talk to other kids, he becomes a great conversationalist. Without it, he’s always found it hard to talk to kids, particularly in groups, if he doesn’t know them well.

There has been some progress. I ordered How to Be a Straight-A Student, by Cal Newport. I’ve read about half of it and I’m very favorably impressed. @bopper , thank you for the suggestion! DS is home now and I talked to him about some of the suggestions and techniques in the book. He thought that they would be helpful and he is going to read it.

And he made an appointment with counseling services on campus. I’m hoping that he will get some help with finding balance. @auntiek , I didn’t even have to make the suggestion.

He has an A average in all of his courses now, a solid A in two and a low A in two. But it is taking way too much time to maintain these grades. I hope that the Newport book will help him.

Thank you, everyone, for the great discussion!

A student like this often doesn’t get help in earlier school situations because they do well, right? Hoping the college folks are helpful : ) Meds are a tricky one but there are an awful lot of options these days. He’ll pursue it, I guess, if he needs to :slight_smile: Have a great Thanksgiving: he must be grateful to have you!