Need help with NY 8th grade course placement "twice exceptional child". (Long story, sorry)

<p>My child was accelerated in math and science at the beginning of middle school based upon 4th grade test scores. However, he avoided reading like the plague and did not turn in homework and refused to write. However, he actively participated in class, was well-mannered, and scraped by on his tests by listening. He was described by his teachers as “it’s because he’s a boy”, “he’s gifted but lazy, gifted but unmotivated”. These reasons were given to “let him fail”. He didn’t fail, he just kept scraping by, while everyone said he’d “grow up”. I feel like they just let him sit at the desk and took the tuition money. None of this really made sense, since he seemed to like to go to school and was well-behaved in general, although emotionally immature. The school was threatened with closure, and so we began investigating other schools. At one school, he took 2 tests. One was an academic ability test (like IQ), another was a “content knowledge” test. They told me that although my son was well within the range of their accepted students on the ability test, his content knowledge of math and english was only 33rd percentile. They said they’d accept him based on IQ, but did question his grades and content knowledge. He took an Otis Lennon test at another school, and it said his non-verbal ability was 94th percentile with academic ability index of 123, but verbal was about 75%. They also accepted him.</p>

<p>So we believed the “gifted but lazy” label and moved him to a non-Regents progressive school that promised continuation into their high school. The middle schoolers were reading material that was at about 10th grade level. Once at the progressive school, his refusal to read quickly caught up with him, and I was bombarded daily with complaints about his failure to turn in assignments and refusal to write anything. I did think the work was unreasonably difficult for any child, but I also did not see him trying at all. At that point I thought he had some form of dyslexia or dysgraphia. So at age 13, I took him to a dyslexia tutor who gave him a reading test. She said that he had the word decoding ability of grade level 16.9 and his vocabulary understanding and reading comprehension level was around 7th grade. She said he was very cooperative, that he did not have dyslexia, and that given his decoding ability, there was some other cause for him to resist reading. I really didn’t know what to do at that point.</p>

<p>One day, I forced him to read his book to me aloud because I didn’t believe he read it. He was skipping lines all over the place. At that point, it was January, and I took him to a behavioral optometrist who said he had severe convergence insufficiency in both eyes and needed 20 weeks of vision therapy that would last into the summer. 2 weeks after I informed the school, the middle school head put him on academic probation and stated they didn’t have to accomodate him. I went over their head and he was allowed to stay. When he asked his history teacher a direct question for help, he’d be directed “there’s books over there”. His English teacher was particularly brutal to him, brought up his disability in front of the class. I complained about her. She then made up bellwork whereby children had to fill in the blanks of a story with the proper words. In one story, she said my son wasn’t doing his work, and kids came to his defense, and everyone got detention. In another story, my son was to be hung for treason, a student from Mainland China came to his defense saying there was a surplus of rice, and the military said my son was now going to be the “designated puppy killer”. Prior to this, my son didn’t bring his papers home. But this, he did. There were 16 terms, and she gave my son a 12/15. My son actually got every word correctly on the paper, and she didn’t mark any wrong. I reported it to the head of school, but she was the only English teacher, and he could not just go somewhere else at that point of the year. </p>

<p>When he got to the progressive school, they had put him in Algebra although he never had pre-algebra. At the conclusion of that year, although he struggled, he did pass the Algebra course in 6/13 at the non-Regents progressive school. He excelled at computers with a 93, passed science with an 84, Algebra with a 74. But he only passed English by a point (would have failed without my help, which I rendered due to the abusive teacher), and he failed history by a point. He had to write a lengthy paper over the summer to pass history. It got done, but not without extensive help on my part. He simply was never taught any library or research skills, and his avoidance of reading was still a problem. </p>

<p>Had he stayed at the progressive school, he was entitled to move into Geometry. However, although the head of school would have allowed him to stay, that teacher was never fired, he could get her again, and we hated the school at that point. They also would have forced him forward to 9th grade, which we felt would be a mistake given his age, he was still in vision therapy, and he had such a bad 8th grade year. Helping him through a difficult time was one thing, but practically doing the thinking and work through high school wasn’t going to happen. We could have moved him back to the failing public school, but they also would have forced him into the 9th grade because they only care if you pass. I also feel they should have known of his eye disorder by 5th grade, before this got out of hand. </p>

<p>He needed time to recover/learn to adjust to his visual issues and to mature. Looking back, he had been a weak/sickly baby and I should have delayed his entrance to kindergarten by a year. After he was accelerated and struggled, I should have listened to my instincts and what I knew of my son, not teachers who spoke of stereotypes. After much consultation, a compromise was made. Since he was young for grade, we found a private Catholic school that offered different tracks and would accept him as an 8th grader, where nobody knew him. The plan was to remediate him in his weak areas, let him go forward in his strong ones. They broke up English into separate ELA and Literature classes and had a separate special ed teacher to help struggling students. He was allowed to move ahead in science to take 9th grade Biology. The school did not offer Geometry. However, we felt he’d been overly accelerated, and could have done better in Algebra. All incoming 9th graders to Regents high schools have to pass the Algebra Regents before 9th grade or they will have to repeat Algebra. So plan was for him to sit through Algebra again as an “8th grader” and take the exam in June. He would then enter 9th grade with Algebra complete and start with Geometry. In actuality, he would have started 9th grade appearing to still be an accelerated student and have the benefits of reaching his full potential by senior year. The principal was on board with all of this.</p>

<p>To be continued </p>

<p>Continued…</p>

<p>However, here we go again… The new book is based upon Common Core, and the teacher is a nightmare. He is struggling with the book/homework. The book is terrible. I hadn’t done algebra in years, but I am highly educated and have completed calculus/statistics. With one graphing problem, I read, referred to other books, googled, and gave up. I was doing my own work when 45 minutes later I realized what had to be done, and it turned out that there was extraneous information that should have been the conclusion after the problem was solved. It was actually a simple problem, and they made it ridiculous. </p>

<p>The math and living environment classes are usually for the “Honors Students” at this school because it is 8th grade. From week 1, the living environment teacher has been trying to get me to have my son just “audit” the class and not take the Regents exam because he’s not up to the par of the other students. It’s not easy, and my son still avoids reading. But that is a behavior that I as a parent am dealing with. The teacher is not a certified teacher, but a parent and college professor who comes in for the class. I frankly feel he’s more concerned with his Regents pass rate as a teacher than my son. I’m not willing to see my son’s failure as a foregone conclusion and make him sit through an 8th grade science course he already passed with an 84. It also rewards my son for not doing his reading. My view is that had my son moved to 9th grade, he’d have to take it. If he doesn’t apply himself and fails, he’ll be taking it in summer school. Fail again, he’d take it as a 10th grader until he passes the exam. Here, even if my son doesn’t do well in the course, so long as he gets his 1200 minutes of labs, he has a right to sit for the Regents exam in June. He fails, he takes it again this summer. Goes onto 9th grade on track with his math. But when I refused to move my son down, the teacher is now doing things to undermine. He won’t tell me the chapters being read so I can ensure my son reads. When my son was sick for 10 days, he did not provide any notes or allow lecture to be taped, and made my son take a test within 3 days of return knowing he didn’t know the material. He also wrote me what would be tested, emphasizing digestion. My son told me the actual test emphasized plants, not digestion. While the other children got to participate in a fun lab during the test. My instincts are that since he can’t get him out of the class, he’s trying to ensure he doesn’t meet the lab requirement. </p>

<p>The living environment teacher can shove it. I know the course is hard for my son, but this is why we did what we did this year. He needs to learn to cope before it affects his college transcript. It would have been hard had we let him go to 9th grade. My child passed 8th grade physical science with an 84. As far as I’m concerned, they offer the living environment course and the Board of Regents/education law states that if a child has passed a course they are entitled to move to the next. There’s no way he can exclude my son from the course other than by discriminating against him for a disability or poor grades.</p>

<p>The math teacher also does not honor his disability plan, and wants to effectively punish him by moving him down to “8th grade math”. She put in big letters on his report card that he is in danger of failing her course. She said that if he doesn’t pass her course, she won’t let him sit for the Algebra Regents. I pointed out that he is already eligible to sit based on his prior course passage. I also found out you can’t keep a child from taking the Regents over course performance in math. The principal agrees the teacher is wrong, but pointed out that she is the only middle school math teacher at the school. Despite a federal waiver, the Algebra students are going to be expected to take 3 exams in June—both versions of the Integrated Algebra exam (Common Core and old format) and the 8th grade math exam. </p>

<p>This teacher and all of these tests are not what we signed up for. He was eligible as of 6/13 to bypass “Common Core”, this teacher, and meet all requirements simply by passing under the old Integrated Algebra format. He also became eligible for waiver of 8th grade exam. We contacted the principal at the progressive school who wrote a letter that our son had completed a high school level Algebra course and passed. This was accepted for admission to the Regents test by the public school, and last week he sat for and successfully passed the January 2014 Algebra Regents. He has therefore completely passed Algebra, met the requirements for any high school, and is entitled to be waived from the 8th grade Math exam. </p>

<p>However, the problem is now what to do about math. If he sat out math the rest of the year, he’d enter Geometry in 9th grade. However, I don’t think passing the Algebra Regents changes the fact that a child must receive 1 unit of credit for math class instruction for the 8th grade year. If he totally drops out of Algebra because he passed, and refuses to “move down” to 8th grade math, they do not have a math class for him. I am capable of and willing to provide home instruction in Geometry, but I do not think that you can “partially homeschool”. It’s also not desirable to pull a kid out to fully homeschool over one course. What can be done? </p>

<p>He was waitlisted for his first choice high school for “disparity between entrance exam and grades”. So in other words, as usual, he passed their test and they are wondering why he is seems to be such a screw up on grades. Of course, when his report card was sent, his grades were also based upon teachers not honoring the 504 disability plan. They sent a FAQ stating that he can get off of the waitlist by writing a letter stating why he wants to go there, raising his grades, and getting a teacher recommendation. He was accepted to his 2nd choice school conditioned on him taking a 3 week summer school course. All of this was before he passed the Algebra Regents exam.</p>

<p>An additional thing to note is that he is an extremely talented pre-professional level dancer. He received a handwritten note from his teacher last summer praising his progress. She went to Juliard and his other teacher was trained by Balanchine. They have students in the NYC Ballet and at Juliard. Dancing is effortless for him. He also was a competitive level 6 gymnast, but that had to go last year when school became overwhelming. He was in those things to make him strong when he was a weak child, because it was non-contact, and he had a narrow heart valve. It nothing to do with passion or that he tries. He cares about it, doesn’t want to quit, but he doesn’t live to do it. I don’t doubt he could get a scholarship some day for his talent, if he can manage not to render himself totally ineligible for college. Frankly, the only thing I’ve ever seen him truly passionate about is building things like erector sets, 3D puzzles, and legos.</p>

<p>Continued…</p>

<p>Continued (this is it, promise)…</p>

<p>Otherwise, he is improving. The eye Dr. gives tests of my son’s brain function, where he has to read numbers down columns and be timed. He has to draw lines with both hands at the same time to points. The Dr. said my son’s ability to do those things indicate his brain processing is well over 90th percentile into “an incredible impossibility”. He still struggles to converge his eyes for a length of time, but he said that my son still can read at about 77th percentile and is ahead of the curve. He said that the disparity between brain and eyes is still disabling, and that my son needs to read to strengthen his eyes. His vision has otherwise deteriorated some to wear he needs reading glasses (which he loses and refuses to wear), but that’s likely genetic. </p>

<p>He has actually come to me with stories assigned in literature, “The Interloper”, asking me to read the surprise ending. He didn’t want to read The Black Cat by Poe, saying other kids’ parents objected to the content. I told him I wasn’t going to be that parent. I read it and had him tell me what it was about because I didn’t trust him to read it. He can recite stories almost verbatim. He can free write fairly well, still struggles to write about what he reads, but is definitely improving. I studied with him the night before the Algebra exam, because I know showing work is an issue with him. He understands things but has trouble expressing it, but is getting much better. He is starting to show work and process how to solve math the way I think about it too.</p>

<p>I am open to any advice. I need a plan that will have the least damage. I particularly need advice on how to handle the math situation. My main priority is that he meets the requirements of the state for this year so he can move on next year. This is a private school. I am concerned that in advocating for my son, and refusing to allow the teachers to dictate solutions that are not in his best interest, that we might be shown the door. Despite everything he’s been through, he still gets up everyday and goes to school without trouble, but his most frequent words are becoming “I don’t care”. </p>

<p>I suggest you look into a school like this one for him: <a href=“http://www.thewindwardschool.org/home/content.asp?section=about%20windward”>http://www.thewindwardschool.org/home/content.asp?section=about%20windward&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

<p>If not affordable, a small Catholic school like Sacred Heart in Yonkers might be a good option.</p>

<p>Thank you. We live in Western New York. There is a school around here, called The Gow School, which works with children with language based disorders and dyslexia. They are 50K! I can’t afford that. They say they offer aid, but I can’t imagine it would bring it down much. I’m not sure if even if I referred him to the Committee on Special Education if I could force the district to pay. They would refuse to pay and say the public school can offer him a free and appropriate education. But it is something I’ve thought of. I do think that because his vision disorder was discovered late, he may struggle with reading comprehension all the way through school.</p>

<p>I’m not sure what it’s like in your school district, but in NYC, most parents that get the Dept. of Education to pay for private school hire a lawyer who handles this sort of thing, and then I believe the cost of the lawyer is paid by the city as well.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>Also meant to mention that the admissions offices of schools the city pays for this way refer parents to lawyers who have had success. Perhaps the Gow School could be helpful this way.</p>

<p>Well my immediate issue is that he is in the 8th grade, and has actually passed the Integrated Regents Algebra exam. He passed the Algebra course at another school last year. So he got 1 math credit last year. He has been sitting in Algebra again this year. Now that he passed the Regents, can he get 1 math credit this year and sit out the rest of the year in math? The rules say you can have up to 2 credits of math for Algebra. His school does not offer Geometry. I don’t know if he can sit out math the rest of the year. As opposed to continuing with an abusive teacher. I can privately teach him Geometry at home just so he continues to learn. But he won’t get academic credit for home learning.</p>

<p>Once you said he “refuses” to take the 8th grade math class and then later you said he refuses to wear his reading glasses. One if you think taking the 8th grade math class is what he needs to do, tell him don’t ask him. You are the parent, he is the kid. Regarding the glasses, can he wear contacts? I have one who started contacts in 8th grade and did wonderfully with them (after leaving his glasses in the locker, or his bedroom desk, everywhere but where they needed to be. If he’s wearing those glasses with the line in them to strengthen the eyes, maybe contacts won’t work, but it’s been over a decade since I went through that so perhaps contacts are now an option. </p>

<p>Sounds like he will move to a different school next year for high school so it sounds like you need to get him through the state math requirements first and foremost and I would focus on solving that in the easiest way possible and if it isn’t continuing the algebra class with the horrible teacher, perhaps its giving him the no-brainer 8th grade math class and moving forward. Or he needs to continue in the Algebra class and learn the lesson that there are teachers that are going to be problems…we’ve all been there with that one for the most part. Fortunately he’s only in middle school so high school will be a whole new story…as will the college search in 3-4 years and it’s difficult to project out from middle school to junior year of high school. </p>

<p>Have you had experience with catholic schools before? You won’t win. It doesn’t matter if you are right and win a battle, you won’t win the war. Not all catholic schools will honor a disability plan and normally they don’t have to. You have to convince them that they are right when they pick the path you’d like to take. You said “There’s no way he can exclude my son from the course other than by discriminating against him for a disability or poor grades” but this attitude is going to get you no where in a catholic school - they do whatever they want, and they do discriminate and they don’t have to even allow him to stay in the school.</p>

<p>Just let your son sit in algebra again. It won’t hurt him. If you want to stimulate him, sign up for Kumon math and they will advance him to wherever he needs to be. No credit, just learning. It sounds like he could use some tutoring in reading too.</p>

<p>If your son missed 10 days of school, yes, he’s going to fall behind. He’s going to miss fun labs while he makes up work. </p>

<p>At this point, I’d advise you to make the most of the rest of the year, get into the high school you can by doing the extra essays or classes they ask for, and just trying to get the best grades you can. If regular science or math is going to get him a better grade, take those courses. Ask the principal to have the reading teachers give you the list of assignments. </p>

<p>It’s a foregone conclusion he’ll be leaving there to go to high school next year. I’ve got 5 months left of 8th grade to deal with. He didn’t refuse to be moved down to the 8th grade math course, I refused it. He passed Algebra last year, a 9th grade course, which is considered to be so much more advanced that taking the Regents exam for it now waives you out of the 8th grade math assessment. How sensible would it look to high schools if a child passed an Algebra course, and then took a lower level course the next year? And he in fact did pass the Algebra Regents exam. He has little difficulty passing standardized tests. He has trouble with unclear directions, volumous homework. Granted, if he’s going to be forced to sit in any class with this woman, perhaps he should go to the easier course so he basically doesn’t have to work. Although given that she doesn’t accomodate his disability, I wouldn’t be surprised if he failed that course. In reality, he is eligible for Geometry. As for the reading glasses, they have nothing to do with his convergency insufficiency or visual processing issue. They don’t fix that. He still needs his teachers to follow his 504. But yes, I otherwise agree that he is a PITA about it. I’ve also made it perfectly clear that if he does not comply with maintenance for the vision therapy and we are told to pay for a new course of it, he will just be going to the eye surgeon.</p>

<p>I have no prior experience with Catholic Schools, but I did pick this one because they emphasized that they had a special ed teacher who is also trained with exceptional children. They made a 504 the first day, I was so impressed. But the teachers don’t honor it, the principal is very kind but I think won’t discipline her teachers. I feel like they took my money and did not give what they said they would. I can hold my son accountable for his behavior, but I can also understand why any human would have given up by now. He has been told there will be difficult people in the world, and he cannot get a free pass in life for a disability. But he also has a sense of fairness and justice, and expects them to follow the rules too, especially these people have the power. With him, he is aware that it is not in his best interest to leave or be dismissed. If I tell him that he has to sit through Algebra the rest of the year even though he passed, he will. He’d probably like to be in the easier class. But if he doesn’t have to sit in either, that would be better. He’s still got a ton of other classes and the PITA living environment course to deal with.</p>

<p>There is a lot of verbiage in these posts. Could you lease answer these questions…in a sentence each?</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Have you ever put in a written request with your local public school district for an evaluation to look at this student’s learning…and possibly a learning disability?</p></li>
<li><p>Has this student ever had an IEP (Individualized Educational Plan)?</p></li>
<li><p>What kinds of support services have his schools provided to him?</p></li>
<li><p>A 504 is NOT optional. Did you contact the 504 administrator at your school to deal,with this?</p></li>
<li><p>What “ton” of other classes does this student have?</p></li>
<li><p>Is he a fluent reader and writer?</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Can the special ed teacher help with a schedule that is better for him? Maybe she can convince the principal that taking two language classes would be better than repeating the math class.</p>

<p>Most of his fellow students have probably been together for years. Does he have any friends? Can you befriend one of his friend’s parents and get the assignments? My kids went to the same catholic school from K-5, but we were outsiders as we hadn’t gone to preschool there, but more importantly, <em>I</em> didn’t go to grade school there and many of the other parents had. Third grade was a nightmare, but I got no where with the principal or either teacher. When other kids started getting the raw treatment from the teachers like mine had been getting and the ‘in crowd’ complained, the teachers were gone for the next year (and one had been there 30 years). I had no power.</p>

<p>And yes, I think it would look better to go to a lower math level and pass than to fail the level he has already passed. Can you just home school him for the rest of the year and go to high school next year? What classes does he actually NEED to complete?</p>

<p>OP, this is from the NYS Dept. of Education website about requirements for Grades 5-8:
Unit of study (seat time) vs. unit of credit (achievement). Units of study, not units of credit, are applicable to the middle grades (specifically, grades 7 and 8).
<a href=“http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/mle/mleflex.html”>http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/mle/mleflex.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I only made it through the first half of the first post, but through there I see you as an enabler. You allowed him to not do his assignments without consequence. Then you put him in a better school where they asked him to do more challenging assignments and your first thought was they were unreasonably difficult.</p>

<p>Whatever happens in the rest of the story, until you adjust your attitude, expect the same results!</p>

<p>Kid’s can be gifted and learning disabled. It is a tough combination because the student really IS smart, and knows they aren’t doing the work. If this student has a learning disability, he needs some specialized instruction to help him overcome that obstacle. If he is not a fluent reader or writer, school assignments and completion are going to continue to be challenging. If he is having issues with a higher level of math, he needs to get the foundation more solid before he climbs higher.</p>

<p>Similar story as my child. It really REALLY sounds like you need to have him formally tested for all learning disabilities. Hurry. While he can still salvage his self confidence. Make the public school give him what he needs or get a lawyers opinion about how to proceed. Someone that specializes in this area. My brilliant daughter has several areas of learning disability and we were shocked after years of getting the “bright but lazy” song and dance at school. And these were outstanding public schools. Get the testing and get good legal advice. ASAP </p>

<p>Sorry, your post was very long and difficult to follow. However, if a middle school kid gets only 74 in algebra, I would definitely repeat the algebra. I don’t see why you would have a problem with that. It’s the foundation of all high school math and it’s asking for trouble to accelerate a kid through with a barely passable foundation in algebra 1. Also, it sounds like his aversion to reading has been going on for years, so why haven’t you been making him read to you?</p>

<p>I’m very unclear about what this parent has actually requested from their public school district for this child. Unless I’m misreading, this kid was moved from school to school in hopes that finding the right SCHOOL would correct any learning issues that were presenting themselves.</p>

<p>I could be wrong in my interpretation…but the OP was SOOOO long it was hard to follow!</p>

<p>Before you call in the lawyers and advocates, how about giving the public school a chance to assess the kid, determine if a learning issue is there. Then set up an intervention plan to help this kid get back on track. </p>

<p>It didn’t sound to me like these steps had been taken. Plus…when a student moves from school to school to school, it is very hard to document the learning issues that might be there, especially with a very bright kid who can likely coast for a short while.</p>