In State NC
What were the stats of the waitlisted and rejected kids? Seems like a tough admit this year
For people next year: My son was deferred at first, but was accepted on regular decision.
In state - Engineering first year - 1450 SAT - 34 ACT - top 5% in his class - no AP classes, all dual enrolment - year-round swimmer, captain of varsity swim team. The reason he got deferred was that his 2 advanced math and chem classes that he takes at Community College were not on the transcript that was submitted for early action. We resubmitted with regular decision, and all was good. Good luck to all! GO PACK!
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He got in on regular decision!
I can only speak with certainty on my S24.
Wake County: One of Top Magnet Schools
3.75 UW / 4.25 W : 10 AP / 2 IB Courses
(These are 1 year long courses in our schools)
Class Rank will not be in top 20%
33 ACT / 1450 SAT
8 x Varsity Letter (3 Sports) / 4 x Captain - Academic All Conference x 8
ECs: Key Club x 3 years, Theater and Technology Club(?) x 3 Years, Club Sport (Classic / Challenge Soccer and NCFC Club Shield Award Recipient)
Applied College of Sciences (Bio) and Poole College of Management (Economic / FYM)
EA-Deferred // RD - Waitlisted
His cohort of friends suggest they are in the reported 25-75th percentages on GPA UW / WT as well as in the upper range ACT / SAT of the 25-75th from prior class profiles at NCSU⊠but as youâre probably aware, kids donât always tell the exact truth. However, given the other schools these students are being accepted / denied at overall Iâd tend to believe they are competitive or better with -prior- years profiles for NCSU admits. And comments from my sons counselor as well as what the parents from a couple others counselors have been seems to indicate they too believe there were more deferred at EA and many more WL students for comparable merits than in prior years.
One aspect which OOS students / parents usually arenât aware of for NC Publics (UNC-CH and NCSU specifically) is that there are legislative mandates for the programs to ensure they admit numbers of students for all NC Counties - which reportedly caps admits and effectively sets a threshold for admission which is thought to be (much) higher for applicants coming from a couple of the largest counties with large numbers of high performers versus some of the rural / more âdisadvantagedâ counties. Itâs often referred to as the âWake County Taxâ (Raleigh area) or the âMecklenburg Taxâ (Charlotte).
On one hand, I appreciate the concept of ensuring the âState Universitiesâ serve the âStateâ as a whole so itâs not just the kids at the top 20 high schools in Wake, Mecklenburg, Orange Counties who are absolutely hammering away at Multiple AP / IB and Honors courses each year from the jump and have obvious advantage when it comes to Weighted GPA as well as for Test Outcomes and then essentially absorb 80+% of the seats.
On the other hand, there are quite a number of those students who are waitlisted/denied as incoming freshman who end up elsewhere and ultimately transfer into NCSU (and UNC but less numbers) as second years, when the students who were admitted but unprepared for college curriculum (and college life skills) could not keep their seats or withdraw.
I have witnessed this kind of issue myself at Illinois (Chicago Suburban and Chicago Private School students versus rural students), and at Carolina and NCSU way back 30+ and 20+ years ago during my college/grad/prof schooling. Iâve also heard tale of it from our neighbors, friends and acquaintances through their kids enrolled in UNC and NCSU the past 10 years or so Iâve been paying attention again.
Itâs an admirable concept in theory, but practically itâs hard for many to make that academic leap from no AP/IB or even Honors available in HS with fewer âhighly competitive classmatesâ AND have to adapt to college life changes at the same time.
My feeling is Grade Inflation has also made this more difficult - as the Bs became B+s and A-s and the B+ became As, the GPA as a measuring tool for intellectual capacity becomes pretty squashed as tons of students are now compressed between 3.75-4.0 UW, and perhaps back then test scores could then differentiate between the 3.6 with a 34 ACT and 3.6 with 29 ACT or the 3.8 with a 26 ACT⊠now without test scores, with grades all compressed between 3.75-4.0, with the APs/IBs courses having the same issues with the grades compressed by 4.75-5.0 ranges in APs, with professional application consultants, professional essay assistants, and what Iâve heard of the âenhancementâ or embellishment (to downright fabrication) of extracurricular achievements - it gives me the impression that admissions to these, say âtop 100â programs is much more of a crapshoot pending luck of which one or two people reads an essay than of defined Academic Merit or Intellectual Capacity.
So itâs frustrating for the student to not get into âtheir top schoolâ or to be WL or Denied at some yet Accepted at others (without inherently obvious causation), but with aspirations for Graduate / Professional School, as long as one gets access to a seat in one of the schools in undergrad then for the most part itâs less important which school in particular you are at and much more on what you do as the individual once youâre there - one still has to actually perform GPA and Test wise, along with securing good experience extras, and ensuring one has great letters of recommendations - to get a seat at one of the professional or graduate programs.
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I have heard there is not a cap from those counties. Do you have anything showing the caps? I know last year in Chapel Hill (orange county), tons of kids got into UNC, like 130 at one school alone, so they definitely take a larger amount from there than other schools.
I think an issue is that UNC and NC State both prioritize top 10% of the class and rank, and that does make it more difficult for students in competitive counties as the top 10% is different depending on where you are. Even within a county, it differs. (e.g. Durham County has 3 competitive high schools and 3 less competitive. One would likely be much higher ranked in North Durham than south Durham, for example.)
NC State seems very competitive. We live out of state in Virginia. GPA is 3.7UW and 4.0W (with a 4.3W in first semester senior year). Test Optional. Deferred EA and now admitted to Poole School of Management. We have been planning on Ohio State Business School, which is in a 3-way tie for ranked 14th overall for undegrad business schools. Wondering if we should take a hard look at NC Stateâits about 2 hour closer of a drive than Columbus. OSU ranked 43 overall in US news report and NC State ranked 60. Realize rankings are not everythingâand they are pretty close. Anyone have thoughts?
As itâs been relayed to me, the Class Rank prioritization is one method used to de facto capping / restricting numbers.
I believe Triangle Business Journal did an article on this a few years ago. I will look for the article, but I no longer subscribe to the TBJ.
If the priority is so heavily focused on top 10% Class Rank, I wonder how 130 kids from one class at one high school got in - there canât have been 1300 students in the class with the entire top ten percent all applying / accepted to UNC ? Weâre at Enloe and our neighborhood goes to Broughton - both pretty tough largerHS, and theyâre not sending half that to Chapel Hill.
My D22 is at Texas - and theyâve done this representation by doing legislative mandates for automatic acceptance for Texas HS students who graduate in the top 6% of their class (it was 10% then has dropped to 9, 8, 7%). However, the University has developed a method to hamper this by declining many students on their first and second choice programs, and instead offer them a seat in a college they donât want (or offering them acceptance thru another convoluted path and only into a specific college) and changing Colleges at Texas appears to be rather difficult to do. Iâm old it happens such that frequently there are many Top 6% who decline their admissions seat at Texas go somewhere else.
Just kidding - 80-100 each year from East Chapel Hill are admitted to UNC, around 55-60 attend. But, I am guessing a high percent of those parents work there, so that is a factor. About 40-45 are accepted yearly from our school in Durham, almost exactly 10%.
Yes, out of state is a whole different ball game since only 18% max of students at any NC school can be from out of state. Due to that, it is even more competitive. We know in state people with much higher stats who were deferred/denied, so count yourself lucky!
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I believe Speer is look at Poole Management - This is along the lines of where I canât make heads or tails on admissions consistency.
The stats on Poole School of Management class profiles (last year?) are listed average SAT 1290 / ACT 26, GPA weighted 4.3. The business schools undergrad / MBA school ranking is 75+ in both.
By comparison Purdue Daniels School and Indiana Kelley School have top 25 rankings with higher class profile stats. Accepted EA out of state, and some money offered from Indiana to reduce the cost of attendance (compared to Purdue and presumably in state NC State) but same student deferred EA and waitlist RD at in state NC State. (One LOR was a professor emeritus / former department chair in environmental sciences from NCSU which makes this an even bit more odd to me).
Waitlisted at UNC (however thatâs for general studies pool - not straight into KFBS) and declined at Texas- McCombs - but both of those are even higher rank / higher class profile metrics so that hardly surprised me.
Hang in there. Spots open up throughout summer and a lot of them will open up in April. It would not hurt to set up an appointment online if they still allow with an admissions officer and let him/her know NCSU is your kidâs top choice.
NCSU takes a lot of kids off waitlist and rolls many from spring admit to fall.
We were EA deferred and now waitlisted with a response that they will give a decision by mid June. Fingers crossed. We are in state.
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We are in the same boat. Have paid to hold a spot at Alabama, and applied for housing too. Just in case. Set to go to orientation in June. But weâre still praying NCSU accepts her before then.
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Anyone still here in this thread? Paid AED but this wonât go away in Wolfpaw? Emailed student services and they said it did go through (and takes a few days to come out of checking account). Also emailed admissions since I canât really do anything else now (other than applying for scholarships. Really want to apply for a learning village.) Thanks!
Where did you get this info? All the reports Iâm seeing show that NC State accepts very few people from the waitlist. I would love it if you are right, however! Please let me know your source!
He might be mixing up how many people accept a place on the waiting list (was 2,689 in Fall 2022) vs. how many NC State offers off the waitlist - usually very low. This is from Collegevine:
In 2018 (latest I found), over 4000 students accepted spots on the waitlist, but only 20 were ultimately accepted. That means less than 1% of students on the waitlist were ultimately accepted.
Itâs like UNCâŠ1,682 students accepted to stay on the waitlist but only 27 of those were offered admission in 2023
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Does anyone know if NC State letâs students know on a rolling basis if they have been accepted off of the waitlist?
I donât know but may be able to look back in previous years on here to see. One unfortunate problem with this years waitlist is it will be moved out to past May 15th since most of the NC schools pushed the acceptance spot from May 1st.
My son was deferred, then accepted for spring and then to fall semester last year. He chose Alabama over NCSU. No regrets. If your daughter got into honors with scholarship, go visit. You will be impressed.