Northwestern vs Vanderbilt, don't know where to transfer [from Tulane; data science, economics, applied math, business -> finance career]

Hey everyone! I’m currently facing a tough decision between Northwestern or Vanderbilt for where to transfer next year. I would really appreciate your thoughts and experiences.

I’m transferring after a year at Tulane. I liked my time there overall, but felt I was looking for a bit more academic intensity and a different social atmosphere. I’m particularly interested in studying Data Science, Economics, Applied Math, or Business, with the goal of pursuing a career in finance. Prestige and recruiting opportunities in NYC are important to me, but I’m also considering quality of life factors, including social life and campus culture and DINING HALLS (Tulane food was terrible). I am interested in greek life and will most likely be involved.

I’m curious about how Northwestern’s quarter system and colder weather might affect my experience. On the other hand, I’m also interested in Vanderbilt’s social scene and how it balances academics with campus life, and maybe if it would be too similar to Tulane for me. If anyone could share insights on how either school might align with my interests that would be extremely helpful!

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Are you in a Tulane frat, and is there a chapter at both NU and Vandy?

I can’t speak to finance opportunities in NYC from either school, but you will have to hustle for those from both schools by networking, securing internships, etc. You also might not be able to get in to certain competitive business clubs as a transfer (sadly that is a thing at some schools, so look into that.)

IMO of course, NU > academic intensity than Vandy on average. Vandy could be a nice midpoint between Tulane and NU in balance of fun and academics. (I’m not saying there aren’t strong academics at Tulane nor am I saying students never have fun at NU!)

Quarters do make things fast paced, but some people prefer quarters because classes you don’t like are over faster and you can take more classes as compared to the semester system. As for weather at NU it will be nice in sept/Oct, ok in Nov/Dec, really cold in Jan/Feb, cold to cool/gray/damp in Mar/Apr/May. I don’t know many people who live in Chicagoland for the weather :laughing:

Lastly it seems that Vandy has a nice way to welcome all transfers and some programming. Not sure NU’s is as well organized, but that’s something to also look into. Good luck with your decision.

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I sorta agree that if you were drawing a spectrum between Northwestern and Tulane, Vanderbilt in terms of things like academic intensity, cultural vibe, and so on would be somewhere in between.

The part we really can’t answer for you is whether that points to Northwestern or Vanderbilt.

Like, personally I think Chicago is a great metro, Evanston is nice too, and I have zero problem with the climate. But I grew up in the Upper Midwest, so that is an easy thing for me to think. I do think lots of college students happily adjust, but I am also sure some would prefer Nashville.

Northwestern is also an academically intense college, not least due to their term structure. Again, some kids thrive in that sort of environment, others might not so much.

So basically, there are real differences here, but which of these colleges would actually be better for you–you’ll really have to make that decision yourself based on your own self-knowledge and preferences for a college experience.

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College is the bridge to your future. And in your case, there are only 3 years left. And you’re only actually on campus for about 8 months per year. So, I would be less concerned about social life, campus culture, dining halls, etc. and would put more emphasis on which college gives you better preparation to get you where you want to be in 3 years.

While both schools have great academics, Northwestern offers a lot more of what you say you want to do. You can study data science, economics, applied math, and business there. You can get a certificate in financial economics. It seems to touch all the bases. You can’t do all those things at Vanderbilt.

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It’s pretty close really…Vandy has two of the three majors you listed applied math (the math major has an applied track) and econ, plus minors in data science and also in minor in business (which is arguably more in depth than the fin economics certificate.) They don’t have a certificate like financial economics, but not sure that’s a reason to choose NU. If OP really wants a major in data science, that could give a slight edge to NU. But IMO Vandy does overall offer a more balanced experience, and many students do better in college when it’s also a good social and cultural fit. It’s up to OP to decide how to prioritize the various attributes of each school.

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I agree with @Mwfan1921 that Vandy offers a balanced experience and students there seem quite happy. Nashville is a great place to go to college although lots of people complain about the campus food (they seem to be working on it however). My son has many classmates from Vandy who ended up in various finance roles in NY so that is definitely possible. You are eligible to rush the competitive business fraternities as soon as you get there this fall and then the social fraternities start rush later in the fall (with pledging to start at the beginning of spring semester). My S felt that the connections he made in his business fraternity and the practice he was able to do with those peers on consulting cases helped a great deal in landing his consulting internship and subsequent job. Good luck with your decision!

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Since you put dining halls in caps, I just want to mention that Northwestern dining has a not-very-inviting reputation. It could also be that the students’ overall expectation is too high. There was a worker strike in March.

Have you been accepted to both Vanderbilt & to Northwestern as a transfer student ?

Have you visited both universities ?

Have you experienced cold weather ? (As you probably know already, New Orleans cold weather can be more harsh than might be expected due to the dampness.)

Northwestern University has shown an uptick in IB placements over the past couple of years. Regardless, either school should be fine especially if you are not solely targeting one market such as NYC IB. Regardless, NU does place in NYC IB.

When adjusted for size of undergraduate student body, both schools are close with Northwestern University slightly ahead of Vanderbilt.

More moderate weather in Nashville; do you prefer Nashville or Chicago/Evanston ? (Evanston has really good restaurants.)

Vandy offers a more balanced experience? I don’t even know what that means. People I know who have gone to Northwestern were very happy there and with the experience they had there.

Students do better in college when it’s a “good social and cultural fit”. Do they? What’s the evidence for that? And how does anyone know in advance if it will be a good fit? He obviously thought that Tulane was a good fit, but that hasn’t worked out the way he hoped.

Why isn’t a certificate program in Financial Economics a reason to go to Northwestern for someone interested in Finance? I think it’s an excellent reason. And it’s not like he’s limited to the number of courses required for the certificate. Northwestern also has a couple of minors in business to supplement his other courses just like Vandy does. The point is that there’s more breadth to select from at Northwestern to put together a program.

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I made it abundantly clear that everything I wrote was my opinion. My opinion is informed by knowing by dozens of students who have gone to NU over the last decade, and maybe a couple dozen who have gone to Vandy. Further, I have the benefit of being part of counselor groups which have a few thousand members, where counselors share their perspectives and that of their students all day long on various listservs and FB pages. So, I get to have my opinions based on my lived experience, and you, yours.

Quite a bit of data exists on that, I am sure your google skills are as good as mine.

I understand that’s your opinion.

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I don’t know if there is a study directly on that specific proposition, but there have been lots of studies that are in some way relevant to the general proposition that being happy and thriving in other ways tends to promote academic success as well. As an example, here is a study involving COVID effects:

It includes this literature review passage:

The link between happiness and success

Academic success is a broad term that includes several components. Kuh et al. (2006) defined students’ academic success as follows “student success is defined as academic success, engagement in educationally purposeful activities, satisfaction, acquisition of desired knowledge, skills and competencies, persistence, attainment of educational outcomes, and post-college performance (p. 5). York et al. (2015) theorized six components grounded definition to describe academic success including “academic success, satisfaction, acquisition of skills and competencies, persistence, attainment of learning objectives, and career success” (p. 9). Research discoveries have revealed that many factors could affect academic success. These factors contain knowledge and information structures and identifying the inspirational elements such as beliefs, mentalities, and personal qualities (Bassant, 1995).

Farahany (1994) found that people feel worried about their future and achieving their life objectives which include self-effectiveness, self-improvement, gaining varied perspectives, and developing personal skills and abilities and multiple components. Thus, Farahany’s findings (1994) highlight the importance of happiness in human and social development. Higher education students are essential structural dynamics when investigating academic success through a global measurement. College life is full of variable stressors such as mental health status, psychological traits, and the strive for achieving goals. These variables are predicted to influence students, causing daily stress, sadness, and pressure. Happiness is one influential identifiable factor within the findings of scholastic accomplishments. As shown by a research study, individuals who have an acute bliss feeling are increasingly dynamic in scholarly practices and continuous academic education progress. As academic success is a basic goal for higher education students, feeling happy, and being satisfied with one’s life could help students achieve their academic goals. Thus, many researchers studied the relationship between happiness and success (Boehm & Lyubomirsky, 2008; Lyubomirsky et al., 2005; Uusiautti, 2013). In one study conducted at the University of Phoenix, the researcher found that the level of happiness can predict academic success by using a linear regression model (Langevin, 2013).

In that particular study they then again found a relationship between their happiness measure and academic success, what they called a moderate positive correlation.

To me this sort of literature is sufficient to conclude that generally prospective students should take any factors that might affect their overall happiness–or perhaps, even more generally, their thriving in college–fairly seriously. I would not say that should trump consideration of factors like affordability and being academically well-prepared, including because it would actually be impossible to disentangle such factors as they likely also would be factors in happiness/thriving. But for lack of a better word, I think it is a good idea to try to think holistically about your college experience, understanding that your academic success may be influenced by a variety of different factors.

And then in turn there are lots more studies linking social relationships, communities, and so on to human happiness, sense of purpose, and again what I might call thriving in general. So I think it is pretty reasonable to think that high on the list of happiness/thriving factors for most college students would be feeling socially engaged, welcomed in the community, and so on.

That’s of course an excellent question, and I think it is well worth knowing that studies of various forms have also shown that humans are often quite adaptable, including more adaptable to various circumstances than they tend to predict in advance. On the plus side, this means social, purposeful, happy people often find ways to be social, purposeful, and happy wherever they find themselves. And on the minus side, this sometimes means unhappy people find ways to be unhappy wherever they find themselves.

That said, I personally think it makes sense to take your best guess as to where you will thrive in college, and go there (as long again as it is comfortably affordable and you are well-prepared). Just to start, you will then be well-positioned to go into that college excited and confident. And then if you do thrive, while it is possible you would thrive equally well elsewhere, no harm done, right? And then if you struggle unexpectedly, well, at least you won’t be to blame for choosing poorly, as you did your best. And then you can learn from what is happening and either figure out how to adapt to your college (which again works quite often), or at least know more specifically what you need to change in a new college.

I think this is good advice for first years, but possibly even more so for transfers. It is difficult (although not unheard of) to transfer more than once. So taking your best guess as to where you will thrive after transferring, including in light of what you learned so far about you and college and what does or does not work for you, really seems very prudent to me.

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