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<p>LOL. Is that a requirement?!</p>
<p>oldfort–no, if you love them. But they certainly need to learn how to-- w/ proper directions of course.</p>
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<p>I actually don’t think there is anything wrong with that. I had two close friends in high school (two girls and two guys). We had sleepovers occassionally. Nothing went on. We were not interested in having boyfriends/girlfriends and just wanted to have fun. All of the parents trusted us. In the end, that is all a parent can do. You can’t monitor your kid 24/7. If they want to have sex, then they are going to have sex.</p>
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<p>You make it like it is disgraceful to go to a CC. There’s nothing wrong with going to a CC.</p>
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<p>I know some things that Jesus and bible camp do not encourage: Judging other people. Speaking with an air of arrogance. Lacking humility (being overly confident that you have it all figured out). Wasn’t it Jesus who stood by the side of the sinner, and told the judgmental ones not to throw stones? Damn - that Guy was smart, wasn’t He.</p>
<p>What is the point in following the letter of the law, when you let the big picture fall by the wayside?</p>
<p>When God is in control…We see love, compassion, understanding, forgiveness, a gentle heart and tongue. Humility. All those things. Impossible to be running on God’s will, and His grace, without all that happening.</p>
<p>If God is your Co-Pilot, switch seats!</p>
<p>There are some people that simply cry “judgement” when they are convicted by the truth that they do not want to expend the energy it takes to teach kids discipline. Again, it is time to buck up. It is a very loving gift to give ones undefiled body to their spouse. It is a level of love that is in the best interest of your mate and your self. It is the normal thing to do. Your giving away your body should show you that you don’t value it. It is not a religious thing, as you want to make it. It is about respecting oneself. Even nature itself will tell you that a sexual partner beyond the ONE that we are supposed to have in marriage is physically, emotional, spiritually, and intellectually unhealthy. Both my dad and brother are physicians and concur with this statement. Those who give their body away also mess up other peoples health. Your level of thinking is at par with most animals. You should feel considerably above animal behavior. But, I do understand that most parents would feel hypocritical if they expected their offspring to take proper care of the body that God owns and who lent it to them for a short time to use, when they gave their virginity outside of wedlock. The fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree. Your conscience knows I am correct. But, you rebel against doing right. At this point, I would be very concerned about HPV for girls, and multiple STD’s and life threatening AIDS and hepatitis. Please take care of yourself and your mate by playing by natures own laws. Respect yourself by taking proper care of your body which is on loan from God.</p>
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<p>I agree this is a ■■■■■…not an animal ■■■■■, just a plain 'ole ■■■■■.</p>
<p>Oldfort, please answer my question re: your thinking having sex outside of marriage is healthy. Science states the contrary.</p>
<p>^Science states that sex is unhealthy?</p>
<p>It is your choice if you decide to remain a virgin until you marry; no one is judging you or questioning your belief. However, many people do believe that having sex does not defile a woman’s body or degrade them into animals. You are not “dirty” or “broken” if you decide to perform an act of love with someone you trust.</p>
<p>And if you and your partner respect each other, you are not “giving” them your body. Love is a give and take relationship. A woman in a healthy and loving marriage is not presenting their spouse her body as a gift, and this is not the case with sex out of wedlock either.</p>
<p>“^Science states that sex is unhealthy?” (No, multiple sex partners ultimately leads to STD’s, HPV.)</p>
<p>It is your choice if you decide to remain a virgin until you marry; no one is judging you or questioning your belief. However, many people do believe that having sex does not defile a woman’s body degrade them into animals. You are not “dirty” or “broken” if you decide to perform an act of love with someone you trust. </p>
<p>(This is NOT an act of love, but of loss of self control. It is an act of lust, akin to animal behavior. You have been taught an unhealthy lie). </p>
<p>And if you and your partner respect each other, you are not “giving” them your body. Love is a give and take relationship (wrong for so many reasons). A woman (how about both genders here) is not presenting their spouse her body as a gift, and this is not the case with sex out of wedlock either. (Yes it is. And you well know it.) (Love is proven by waiting for marriage.)</p>
<p>I attempted to be civil and state my beliefs calmly without resorting to personal attacks and demeaning epithets because I believe in respecting other people’s opinions. I see that this is not what you will be doing, so I’ll say no more.</p>
<p>And frankly, my dear, even if I did respond, I’m afraid I would go over the word limit. I’ll quote you on this one: “wrong for so many reasons” indeed.</p>
<p>LOL I LOVE YOU FAIRY_DREAMS.
that posting style is sooooooooooooo FUNNY.</p>
<p>My point, several pages ago, was that assuming that a 13 or 14 year old girl who was engaging in sexual behavior (whatever ‘base’ she might get to) was acting out, unhappy, had low self esteem, etc, was also a double standard. When a boy expresses his sexuality, he is seen as healthy, as long as he is not predatory. Why can’t a girl be just as “healthy”? And yes, I have known girls who were both confident AND experimenting with sex at that age. I knew them when I was a girl, and I know them now as a mother. </p>
<p>I don’t really understand all the doom and gloom around this, to be honest. Pregancy and STD’s are to be avoided at all costs, true. It’s sort of like going to an Ivy—it doesn’t necessarily predict long term success or happiness. Having sex at 14 doesn’t doom you to a lifetime of problems. Waiting til you’re older or even married doesn’t guarantee a healthy, happy sex life either.</p>
<p>To be clear though, I do think that in the ideal world, girls would wait until about 21 or older to have intercourse, and that all sex between young people be based on loving, mutually respectful partners, and most of all, that they be madly in love. Wouldn’t that be nice?</p>
<p>this thread has gotten kind of bizarre. </p>
<p>I agree with what mousegray said…exactly. </p>
<p>thirteen year olds are not particularly “skilled” in this area, and I’d prefer they wait until it could be a better experience, both boys and girls, btw, but I hardly think that it is the dire issue some are making it out to be…</p>
<p>as for the ■■■■■…LOL You ARE kidding, right?</p>
<p>Hey, wait a minute guys! I know you don’t like what Truelove is writing (or the way…think she’s condescending?) but every Catholic girl and Jewish girl of the more conservative type that I grew up with was raised the same way. Virginity at the altar. You’re acting as if this is a new concept. We’re only one generation away from this being the prevalent way of thinking about a woman’s virtue. Give her a break.If she’s coming to college on the East Coast she’ll see soon enough that her ideas are on the conservative side and in the minority, and she’ll meet some pretty terrific fellow students who see things a bit differently.</p>
<p>I don’t think we are opposing her point of view. What I have issue with is she thinks everyone should live the same way and have the same believe as she does, or some how we are being bad parents and our kids are living in sin. I am into letting my kids make their own decision in what is right for them, as long as they are practicing safe sex, love their partner, and have respect for their own body, then I am fine with it. </p>
<p>If Truelove is at peace with her decision then there would be no need for her to preach. As I have no need to try to change Truelove’s mind. It is her prerogative in how she wants to live her life. But this over the board about going to Bible camp and “giving” one’s body to someone, it’s all nonsense.</p>
<p>I may be wrong on this but the whole “giving your virginity” thing is very much a part of recognised religions/ cultures like the Amish, Mormons, Hasidim, Catholics, right?</p>
<p>im in high school, and theres no way someone can go to 3rd in a mall. I know people who just say those things for attention and respect. They certainly get attention, but then dont ever get respect</p>
<p>Kids have done it at our school’s broom closet. You should have seen the parent’s face when she accidentally opened it, and it was in the middle school.</p>
<p>Kids (more than one) went to 3rd on a bus on the way to a field trip, with adult’s on the bus. It was middle school as well.</p>
<p>Catholics are not at all into “giving your virginity” at all. </p>
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<p>This occurred to me, too. Just because D’s friend claimed to have gone to third in a bathroom doesn’t mean she actually did.</p>